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ladyhadhafang

Current status of the USS Hadhafang

Aug 05, 2016 00:24

Hey. Mostly getting back to catching up on my Star Trek stuff as I'm preparing on seeing BEYOND at one point. (Thinking of going with a friend) I decided to start by catching up on the movies -- trying THE FINAL FRONTIER first. (Insert cries of "Why, why would you do that to yourself" here ( Read more... )

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pronker August 5 2016, 15:40:33 UTC

Good review. And there's stuff like some of Spock's campfire conversation that doesn't really make sense. Yes, Vulcans are logical, but logical doesn't mean "awkward". (Anyone who's seen TOS, feel free to prove me wrong on this) He's not, say, Data or Odo, for goodness' sakes. On the other hand, some of the quieter moments of snark are organic, so...keep those. I think the best model for stuff like that is stuff like what I've seen of DS9 -- when they do the really good bits of humor, they really flow organically from the characters, situations, etc. and are genuinely clever.I've always found the friendships and camaraderie that Spock had to be respectful both ways; a little bit of teasing, perhaps, by others, but that was it. The whole 'logic' thing and *honor, for those who have read Chris Claremont's X-Men* is a slog and expounds on the characters, but that doesn't make it less of a slog for me. I'm not that introspective, I guess ( ... )

ladyhadhafang August 5 2016, 16:39:51 UTC

Thanks! I was definitely pretty nervous about that one, especially considering how...explosive Final Frontier really is in the fandom. (I mean, I don't think stuff like Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis, or even The Motion Picture really got this divisive -- correct me if I'm wrong, of course. And even the really polarizing Abrams films have their defenders. Frontier, though...it is very much on the "hate it" side of the Love It Or Hate It thing.) Honestly, I think there is a good movie somewhere in there if you do some rewrites ( ... )

misterandersen August 7 2016, 14:14:21 UTC

I've never really had a problem with TFF; it always felt like an attempt to harken back to the more intimate drama of TOS after the just concluded epic trilogy that were the last three movies where Kirk, Spock & McCoy were the characters that really mattered.

But yes, its treatment of the female characters was on the shoddy side. I would have changed Sybok's sex -- although that means losing the great pun of the reveal of their relationship as siblings -- just because Trek is pretty weak when it comes to female antagonists messianic female power through a completely asexual process is just rare in and of itself as a story element. Of course in the context of Spock and vulcan women, that raises other issues: namely his involuntary fiancée planning on having either Spock or Kirk kill the other. Imagine that little tete-a-tete having come at hm in the wake of his big sister basically telling the whole Surakan Logic culture to go fuck itself ( ... )

ladyhadhafang August 7 2016, 16:30:55 UTC

Very true regarding Frontier. Even the set-up, like I said, is very TOS-ish -- probably the most TOS-ish since, say, The Motion Picture. It really does feel more like an episode of TOS adapted to the big screen, in my opinion. Wrath of Khan was definitely more...well, grand. So was Search for Spock and even The Voyage Home. Even the more sort of main-drama-contained-inside-the-ship is very TOS-ish, at least from what I can gather. (Correct me if I'm wrong, of course ( ... )