The world just wants me to bitch all day, doesn't it?

[lady_ganesh]

No, I find your ship creepy and incestuous because I find it creepy and incestuous, not because I think it threatens one of my ships.

AND WE WERE DOING SO WELL UP 'TIL THEN.

Comments

[chomiji]

>HUGS!<

Tell?

[lady_ganesh]

I actually like reading ship manifestos for ships I don't sail on! I find learning what other people find appealing about the pairing interesting, and usually people are very smart and mature about their pairing, rather than THE REST OF YOU GUYS ARE JUST HATERS.

This time...not so much. Apparently I don't like the ship because I'm insecure about my OTP. Except, of course, they're not really my OTP, because the only ship I truly adore in the canon has...neither of those characters involved!

[chomiji]

Well, I remain confused (probably just as well), but I still have hugs ... have one.

I try to stay out of these things. The nastiness that comes out about other people's cherished fantasies is just too much.

[lady_ganesh]

You are a kind and generous soul.

Exactly. It's one of the reasons I don't really join comms any more.

[keelieinblack]

Er. Seeing as how I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you're talking about, can I offer up an apology for my part?

[lady_ganesh]

You don't need to apologize, I was venting! I confess, I didn't get to the comments, and now I see you're there.

It's okay! I just. I dunno, I try to be really careful when I write a ship_manifesto, because there are just as many reasons not to like a pairing as there are to like a pairing, and you're never going to make any converts by insulting folks. And it was going so well until then! I really like them together most of the time, I just can't get over the godfather thing to see them in a romantic light. (EDIT: YOU ARE NOT A BAD PERSON FOR BEING ABLE TO GET OVER THE GODFATHER THING and I would never mean to imply that-- but that's what kills it for me.)

[keelieinblack]

*flail* I know! It's just, it wasn't until I saw your post that I reread that one paragraph in the actual post and realized how unkindly it could read, so now I feel a little bad for getting caught up in comment-discussion while having glossed over something that's a little hurtful and impolite.

And, yes, I am so in line "If the relationship works/doesn't work for you, that's okay! Do your thing!" stance. But the amount of tension in this fandom exhausts me sometimes; I keep feeling like I need to run around doing damage control for both sides.

[lady_ganesh]

I've done the same thing before. And it was a REALLY GOOD ESSAY aside from that minor point lolol.

But the amount of tension in this fandom exhausts me sometimes; I keep feeling like I need to run around doing damage control for both sides.

Sometimes I think I should join the KKM comm and then I think, 'er, no, I'll stay over here posting the occasional fic to springkink.' (The thing that always amuses me the most is these shipwars seem to burn the brightest in harem mangas. Um, it's a harem manga you are not going to get the resolution you are looking for EVER.)

[gryphonsegg]

Ah, the good ol' "Everything is motivated by shipping" argument. I hadn't seen that one for a while. Do you also dislike a certain character only because he or she threatens your ship? Apparently, I do that a lot. Even in fandoms where I don't ship anything.

[lady_ganesh]

To be fair, it was an essay supporting a pairing. To not be fair, not wanting someone to fuck his godson seems an impulse that could legitimately be attributed to something other than shipping.

[gryphonsegg]

Yeah, it could. If you wanted to go around giving people credit for having reasonable opinions and for caring about things outside their favorite pairings of fictional characters. But who wants to live like that?

[lady_ganesh]

I was really digging the essay up til then, that was the tragic part. Because their relationship is usually pretty cute, it's harem manga, you know the drill, sometimes it's cute, sometimes it's creepy, everyone has good times...AND THEN IT ALL ENDED IN TEARS.

[keelieinblack]

No, and it's never going to, by the looks of things. It still comes close to boiling over every now and then--there was even a small dust-up on the main comm not too long ago.

[keelieinblack]

Well, the latest one did get resolved pretty quickly, and it doesn't seem to happen as often since many people moved over to the pairing-specific communities and stayed there. But in some ways the whole subject feels exactly as touchy as it did when the first big kerfuffle happened in 2004-ish, and the main comm and kkm_rewatch (and, I think, the chat comm for Season 3) still feel the need to enforce strict "no pairing/character bashing" rules.

Amazing that such a goofy little series goes all blood-and-knives when it comes to fandom. That's harem series for you. *sigh*

[rosehiptea]

I only did one ship manifesto, and I stuck to saying why I liked the ship and found it plausible, not analyzing why some people didn't like it. (Which, I'll admit, is pretty obvious anyway.)

I should sign up again to do Douglas and Heather from Silent Hill 3. I signed up and then didn't do it, but I'm sure I could this time.

[lady_ganesh]

See, that's what SANE PEOPLE DO. (And see, there's an age gap I can get behind.)

You should!

[threewalls]

I would love to see a Douglas and Heather manifesto from you. If you needed the encouragement. ;)

[rosehiptea]

Well, I'd have at least one reader then! I'll probably sign up soon.