Easy steps to Internet Wank!

[lady_ganesh]

Approach the First!

One: Make some misguided comments in an utterly brilliant post about men and rape culture.

Two: Keep digging.

Three (optional): Post about the hole in your journal. If you're lucky, your friends will come around and tell you you did nothing wrong!

Four: Find reasons to blame the people who are still at ground level. (I do

Comments

[chili_das_schaf]

I got linked to the entry earlier to day, pre-wank, and thought it was amazing. A pity it spawned something so idiotic.

[lady_ganesh]

One of the reasons I want to talk about it separately is that it really is amazing; this is really such a small part of it. But oh, man. Oh, man.

(The best part I couldn't find-- a survivor said that just seeing her name made her feel horrible at that point, and she JUMPS IN AND COMMENTS. lololz.)

[lady_ganesh]

I did the same thing. And it's still...poster child for not getting it. Did you see the comment below about her history? Apparently it extends beyond Racefail.

[momebie]

It's probably bad that in reading through that my brain went 'but what about women! They could rape you too!' :p

[lady_ganesh]

It gets said in comments? Though again, I think that's something in the culture that needs to be challenged-- no, really, men are not always ready, willing and able for sex. The stupidity hurts everyone.

[momebie]

No, I didn't read it in a comment, that was my immediate thought on skimming through some of the wank. I agree though, we do need to challenge those perceptions. It's kind of naive to be afraid of someone just because they have a penis. Especially if you're NOT going to be afraid of people with vaginas out of some sort of misguided sense of sisterhood.

...Or I could just watch too much tv.

[lady_ganesh]

No, I meant that it really does get said, not that you hadn't noticed. Um. If that makes sense. AND EVEN IF YOU DON'T.

Depressingly, if you look at the statistics for violence, it makes more 'sense' to be afraid of penises. And I'm really fond of them. It's a pity.

[alice_and_lain]

That post by cereta is brilliant and something that should be spread around more often.

[lady_ganesh]

It really is. The comments are good too, for the most part.

EDIT: I GOT THE GAME TODAY THANK YOU~

[alice_and_lain]

I'm reading them. The stories are breaking my heart, for so many reasons. Mostly because I've felt that fear too and it sucks.

And yay! Wow, it got there in two days, I'm impressed! I hope you enjoy it more than I did, I couldn't figure out the battle system for the life of me but the music is super cool.

[lady_ganesh]

Yeah, it does. Some of the good guys are really awesome, though.

I DUNNO I will try to be strong. And keep the computer cheat guides handy that has saved me many a time.

[crystaldawn]

OH FFS I just lost the comment I had written up.

ANYWAY, i love how a post about "If you're going to derail conversations with "BUT NOT ALL MEN ARE LIKE THAT!!1!", could you please step up and call your fellow man out on his bullshit when he IS acting like that?"... got derailed by people complaining that NOT ALL MEN ARE LIKE THAT!!1!.

And I feel bad because she actually did have logical points in her LJ post, but then twisted them all pretzel-like until they fit some weird tl;dr sort of justification for her. Maybe she was hoping people would just skim the tl;dr that didn't make any sense and nod along with the rest?

[lady_ganesh]

It actually wasn't derailed as badly as it could've been-- there are lots and lots of pages of people not being stupid. She's just...special.

Maybe! Sadly, I think in her mind it's all perfectly justified.

[crystaldawn]

Fffffff, yeah.

See, like. The whole "Silence isn't ALWAYS consent!" thing would work, if what she was talking about wasn't like. You are confronted with blatant sexism/racism/homophobia/wtfever, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT IT? To steal the example from the original post, if you're at a frat party and a drunk girl passes out and there are a bunch of guys standing around talking about screwing her, YES SILENCE IS CONSENT IN THAT CASE, and that's what the post was about. If you don't address these situations when they're blatant, why even bother pretending to support that cause?

I also have huge problems with telling people who aren't trolls to 'just Google it', because that doesn't really solve any problems - but from the looks of it, she's just complaining because no one will hold her hand and be her personal teacher on oppression issues. So it's like PLEASE STOP JUSTIFYING ALL THESE BAD STEREOTYPES OF WHITE PEOPLE, OKAY?

[lady_ganesh]

And there were people who piped up during RaceFail saying 'silence is sometimes just silence,' so it's not like there's this Huge Group of People Making Her Feel Bad about Silence.

SHE'S A NICE WHITE LADY. HOW DARE YOU TRY TO OPPRESS HER. The other stunning thing is that in cereta's post people are pretty much being exemplary about not jumping on people, learning from each other, etc.

[chomiji]

Wow, I'm debating defriending someone for the first time in my LJ life because of that first one. (I believe the person barely knows I exist, actually - I met her in a non-LJ context a couple of times, and her LJ was pretty interesting.)

As for the second one ... sheesh! It seems to me that at the very least, the beta could have taken a look at the writer's work at the start and decided then whether she wanted anything to do with it. Holding it up for mockery afterward is just completely craven and revolting!

(Apropos of that ... you will tell me if I screw something up in one of my stories, won't you? I noticed some idiocies in the little thing I wrote ... . Because of that, I'm hesitant to ask ... but would you be interested in having me at fandom_grammar? I did actually work 10 years as a copy editor, here and here. )

[lady_ganesh]

It's special, isn't it? And yeah, there are some entries there that are fine, and normal!

Apparently they had some kind of falling out if you really go down the rabbit hole, but that's no reason to say horrible things about her in public when she was nothing but gracious about you.

(Of course I would, especially if it's something quick and easily fixed. And I bet we would, as far as fandom_grammar goes. I don't remember if we're looking for anyone at the moment because I am A Flake, but you could message theemdash and say you're a friend of mine. We 'open up' for grammarians from time to time and have applications and it's all very Formal but seems to work well!)

[chomiji]

(I have written theemdash-san, so we shall see what we shall see ... . I wrote a formal-ish type of note.)

I guess I really am a netizen of LJ now ... I'm starting to recognize people's names in these things and say to myself "oh crap, that one!"

[lady_ganesh]

I recognize icons sometimes. It's slightly embarrassing!