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Excuse Me, What Patriarchy? pacman7331 April 8 2011, 19:46:18 UTC
Lierre Keith, interviewed on episode 252 had allot of information but I found her understanding somewhat confining and followed by some uncompromising sweeping judgements, such as agriculture being a war against nature. Finally she comes to mention that the cause of all problems is "The Patriarchy". I find it offensive that she goes on to make women and children as victims while she insinuates and singles out men as the perpetrators and guilty. Thats when I decided I had to write in, and perhaps she would respond to this? (note comment is in two pieces as livejournal limits length ( ... )

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Excuse Me, What Patriarchy? Part 2. pacman7331 April 8 2011, 19:47:15 UTC
"The days where men were in charge and had all the power, is nothing more than a feminist fantasy concocted to excuse finger pointing at the entire male sex, justifying their own identity as victims and ironically enough their own pursuit of a lopsided power arrangement. Sure there has historically been the upper 2% of men who had allot of power and control, but as far as male power goes, thats where it ended. The other 98% of men were never powerful, never! Just the opposite in fact, they led powerless lives of sacrifice and expendability in order to take care of women and children and to serve the interest of the 2% of men that feminists always complain about, and very mistakenly confused for the way the rest of men actually lived. And that upper 2% held much more oppressive sway over the rest of men than they did women. It was the 98% of men who were conscripted to fight in the wars forced to take on the shitty back breaking jobs and did so generally with mouths closed and heads down so as not to jeopardize their ability to take ( ... )

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How do we get there? solarbobky April 11 2011, 14:23:24 UTC
So what is the strategy to get there? Chestnut and hazelnut forests?
http://www.badgersett.com/
Is pastoralism better than agriculture? How many can it support? Gathering and hunting?
Is there time to get the population there without a die off? (Doubtful)
What about pasture cropping?
http://agroinnovations.com/index.php/en_us/multimedia/blogs/2010/07/episode-98-pasture-cropping/
http://www.pasturecropping.com/
Perennial polyculture?
http://www.landinstitute.org/
Does Lierre have buffalo in her backyard? Is she digging Apios americana tubers?

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peristaltor April 21 2011, 19:46:42 UTC
I must concur with the other commenters. This interview-ee has a mildly interesting message completely obscured by a complete inability to convey that message without expressing unnecessary contempt, revulsion, outrage, etc, all wrapped in unbelievable hyperbole and dismissive derision.

She literally made me want to clearcut an old-growth forest and plant Monsanto franken-corn just to piss her off, and -- more importantly! -- to show everyone else that I have nothing in common with her.

Ms. Keith does a disservice to every concept with which she might find worthy of attention and support. If she used the same presentation stylings displayed in KMO's interview to describe a cure for cancer, I suspect most people would choose to die a horrible and painful death.

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