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216: Got Status?

Jul 28, 2010 17:31

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Festival of logical fallacies? cassandra0lives July 30 2010, 14:44:35 UTC

I think the blogger you quote in the introduction (Mickey Foley) might need to review a few of the logical fallacies sometimes mistakenly used in debates. Certainly straw man arguments and some kind of weird ad hominem (against oneself?) arguments feature prominently. Might even be able to work in red herrings, begging the question, sweeping generalizations, and slippery slope arguments as well. A potpourri of logical fallacies!

Perhaps this is meant as an introduction to philosophy primer? Might be a bit much to cover during a podcast!

I would LOVE to be wrong! stupidculture August 1 2010, 03:10:58 UTC

I, myself, am a dropout because I'm a doomerist, not a doomerist becuase I'm a dropout (or a "failure" in terms of dominant culture standards). I would LOVE to be wrong in my analysis of where we're headed. It wouldn't threaten my ego or self-esteem one bit.

Re: I would LOVE to be wrong! stupidculture August 1 2010, 03:15:41 UTC

...not because I'd then be a "drop-in," but because my kids would have some kind of a future, etc.

Re: I would LOVE to be wrong! kmo August 1 2010, 04:19:53 UTC

So far the comments don't seem to reflect an understanding that Mickey Foley never once said in his essay that peak oil doomers are WRONG in their assessment of the likely catastrophic consequences of peak oil. He only said that people who are losers according to the standards of the prevailing narrative are the ones who are attracted to the doomer position.

Re: I would LOVE to be wrong! stupidculture August 10 2010, 01:49:59 UTC

Well if that's the case then...
since more people are losing in the standards game then more will accept the doomer position and therefore focus on the crash, therefore lessening the crash and/or working on sustainable alternatives, etc. No?

If anything this lessens my "uncomfortable, squirmy feelings." Or am I still misunderstanding? Thanks.

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NY State Permaculture place lucpauwels August 10 2010, 21:34:55 UTC

I noticed in this podcast that Randall Parker mentioned he was away from the ETC at present, and was visiting a permaculture community upstate NY. I would love to know what, and where, that community is, as I'll be moving upstate next month, and would love to learn about, and perhaps visit and contribute to, that community as well.

If anyone has an idea of the name and location of this permaculture community, I would love to know!

LP

Re: NY State Permaculture place kmo August 10 2010, 22:54:35 UTC

To the best of my knowledge, Randall Parker has never been to the ETC. You're probably thinking of Gregory Landua, and I don't think he's living in an intentional community. I think he's just plugged into an informal network of informed folk.

a meandering comment bodhishugenja August 12 2010, 06:45:29 UTC

I enjoyed the application of a symbolic anthropological analysis of Doomer psychology and seeking an explanation in personal insecurities and relationships concerning status and hierarchy ( ... )

Re: a meandering comment kmo August 12 2010, 13:21:32 UTC

Hi B,

Great observations. Thank you for posting them.

I did cringe with self-recognition when I first read Mickey Folley's "The Doomer's Curse," and so I decided I really needed to look that position straight in the eye. Mickey, unlike the second guest, Randall Parker, did not say that the Doomers are wrong (and he doesn't really seem to be a Prepper), only that they are attracted to the Doomer position because it vindicates their position as meek losers in this society based on cut-throat competitiveness.

Concerning the Judeo-Christian eschatology angle, you might check out my conversation with John Michael Greer in episode 120 of the C-Realm Podcast:

http://crealm.libsyn.com/120_the_long_descent

Thanks again for listening and providing feedback.

Live long and prosper.

-KMO

A Doomer's Confession kingofeagles August 13 2010, 20:17:36 UTC

I bristled slightly when I heard "the Doomer's Curse" mainly from having an aspect of the Doomer position laid bare in front of us. But also from a personally felt identification with the narrative. Growing up as a sensitive, imaginative, non-competitive kid surrounded by ballistic dickheads in a world that does not value my talents made me very susceptible to the Doomer script. There were times when I prayed for things to go down in flames. When the 911 bombings happened, I was giddy, feeling some sort of vindication through that tragedy. As I grew older, I slowly began to realize that this mentality was crippling me. That it was bringing me to a cognitive impasse that made me unable to pursue any endeavors. I now realize that there is a difference between predicting destruction and wishing for it. Hoping for destruction is a litmus test for insecurity, and everyone in this community should be vigilant of this red flag in their emotional health. I have children now and I am working to create a world for them, rather than wallowing in ( ... )