So yes, I'm obviously pleased as punch that the cards have lined up just so in order to stop the government from continuing with the Clean Feed
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So, before the election, it was all "protect the children".
After the election, it turns out there's two lists, one for Moral Police you could opt out of, and one for 'illegal' items. Want to bet that 'illegal' for the most part in this case means "bittorrenting tv shows/movies"?
I'm seeing a situation where ARIA and similar folks are pushing the Rudd government hard to go ahead with their plans. They have the motive and the cash.
Re: Follow the moneykirby1024March 2 2009, 04:29:50 UTC
I would almost have thought, then, that the copyright lobbyists would have lobbied both side of parliament throughout the debacle and hedged their bets. Not like they don't have the attention span to do it. Yet, the Opposition is doing quite well at having a backbone on this issue.
ACMA's secret blacklist, which will form the basis of the mandatory censorship regime, contains 1370 sites, only 674 of which relate to depictions of children under 18. A significant portion - 506 sites - would be classified R18+ and X18+, which is legal to view but would be blocked for everyone under the proposal
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Why'd they keep going? Well, actually that's a bit of a lie to think they kept pushing it on. It just seemed like they kept going on regardless. Reality: it just got tied up in government style bureaucratic red tape, plain ole waiting. They couldn't say yes or no until they had a feasibility study completed by an external service.... and in the meantime, media had a rampage. So.
This Is Wrong, It Will Not Work, Don't Do ThisthornelawlerMarch 2 2009, 22:45:34 UTC
Apart from the 'this was one of K-Rudd's babies' suggestion, I'd speculate:
If you're a government, you may well become so inured to people shouting "UR DOIN IT WRONG! U SUCK!" as to be effectively deaf to it, just so you can continue to do anything at all. This is obviously a Bad Thing.
I see this being a risk for Obama down the road as much as it has been for Rudd so far: If you take power on a wave of worshipful hysteria, say because you ousted some total asshole, it is way too easy to believe your own hype. No matter how good your intentions are to start with, they become destructive when you stop listening to feedback because you know you're right.
I haven't heard any news on the clean feed thing being officially shut down, you're the only person I've seen mention it. When did this happen and how?
Excuse my ignorance, but did it get voted against in parliament or something along those lines?
(Not that I'm doubting you of course, just after clarification <3 )
What has happened is that the Liberal's lawyers have come back with the recommendation to the Coalition that in order for Rudd to do what he wants to do with the Clean Feed, Legislation will need to be enacted. They had previously resolved to vote against any such legislation in the Senate anyway, but this advice now indicates to them that non-legislative avenues are not available to the Government. The Greens were always against it, and most recently, Independent Nick Xenophon has come out saying that he has changed his mind regarding the clean feed and decided that he cannot support it. This means there is a majority of Senators in the Upper house against the Clean Feed.
Thus, it appears that all possible avenues available to Rudd and his government to put the Clean Feed into action are now closed to them. Rudd can continue to go through the motions, but so long as the Parliament retains it's current consistency, it cannot pass into law.
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After the election, it turns out there's two lists, one for Moral Police you could opt out of, and one for 'illegal' items. Want to bet that 'illegal' for the most part in this case means "bittorrenting tv shows/movies"?
I'm seeing a situation where ARIA and similar folks are pushing the Rudd government hard to go ahead with their plans. They have the motive and the cash.
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Although I did find it eeenteresting when I read this in a SMH article:
ACMA's secret blacklist, which will form the basis of the mandatory censorship regime, contains 1370 sites, only 674 of which relate to depictions of children under 18. A significant portion - 506 sites - would be classified R18+ and X18+, which is legal to view but would be blocked for everyone under the proposal ( ... )
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Why'd they keep going? Well, actually that's a bit of a lie to think they kept pushing it on. It just seemed like they kept going on regardless. Reality: it just got tied up in government style bureaucratic red tape, plain ole waiting. They couldn't say yes or no until they had a feasibility study completed by an external service.... and in the meantime, media had a rampage. So.
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If you're a government, you may well become so inured to people shouting "UR DOIN IT WRONG! U SUCK!" as to be effectively deaf to it, just so you can continue to do anything at all. This is obviously a Bad Thing.
I see this being a risk for Obama down the road as much as it has been for Rudd so far: If you take power on a wave of worshipful hysteria, say because you ousted some total asshole, it is way too easy to believe your own hype. No matter how good your intentions are to start with, they become destructive when you stop listening to feedback because you know you're right.
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Excuse my ignorance, but did it get voted against in parliament or something along those lines?
(Not that I'm doubting you of course, just after clarification <3 )
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What has happened is that the Liberal's lawyers have come back with the recommendation to the Coalition that in order for Rudd to do what he wants to do with the Clean Feed, Legislation will need to be enacted. They had previously resolved to vote against any such legislation in the Senate anyway, but this advice now indicates to them that non-legislative avenues are not available to the Government. The Greens were always against it, and most recently, Independent Nick Xenophon has come out saying that he has changed his mind regarding the clean feed and decided that he cannot support it. This means there is a majority of Senators in the Upper house against the Clean Feed.
Thus, it appears that all possible avenues available to Rudd and his government to put the Clean Feed into action are now closed to them. Rudd can continue to go through the motions, but so long as the Parliament retains it's current consistency, it cannot pass into law.
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