Egads! I'm playing with the idea of how it would be possible to depower Nobodies via taking away their weapons for a fic idea and it involves a lot of Magical Science (TM) and force-fields and somehow explaining why the Nobody in question can't just snap their fingers and re-materialise it. Or make the weapon in question just fly across the room to them. Or anything like that, since by all appearances their weapons are intrinsically linked to them and under their mental control. So, yeah, just picking it up is kiiind of unlikely to have the effect that person wants >...although now I'm trying to figure out what effect touching/picking up a Nobody's weapon would /have/ and wondering if it's taboo, kind of like touching someone's Daemon in HDM since you could think of the weapons as tied directly to their soul and BACK BUNNIES BAAAACK
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I'm terrified most of my pet theories will be made null and void once 358/2 comes out - I'm really attached to some of 'em! ;_; Ah well, shall see how it goes...
And I've always thought of CoM and KH2 as kind of a tragedy. The Nobodies were doing bad things but in a way they really could not possibly do anything differently, because it was impossible for them not to try to get hearts of their own. If getting hearts of their own necessitated committing genocide, then hallo genocide - it wasn't as if they were capable of remorse or anything like that, after all, and the current situation was so completely untenable that /not/ trying simply wasn't an option.
I find the whole thing tragic because of the inevitability of it all, and it always saddened me that Sora didn't seem to see that, didn't see that rather than doing bad things for a lark the Org genuinely did not have a choice. *sighs* It's an unpopular view in fandom, though, I've found; people tend to expect you to either go "the Org was EVIL and Sora was COMPLETELY RIGHT for
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I for one am seriously willing to rework all my extensive theories if it means more Lexaeus. *hugs him* Also Xigbar, but Xigbar gets everywhere, so he barely counts.
To be fair to Sora, the Organization did a lot of flat-out bad stuff, and if they wouldn't stop turning people into Heartless it was necessary to stop them. (And, dearly as I love them, the ones Sora killed at Castle Oblivion kind of deserved it for messing with his head. They brought it on themselves in more ways than one.) On the other hand, Riku did something similar and Sora forgave him.
Personally, I've always thought that, okay, they did nasty stuff and Sora was in the right there - but (especially for the non-CoM crew) it seemed like Sora was killing them for the wrong reasons and wasn't actually thinking about what he'd been told. That really grated.
Yes! Sora was doing the right thing, but for the wrong reasons and without thinking it through--and not thinking things through can be an amusing character trait, but not when what you're bouncing right over is killing other sentient beings. To be fair, because I like Sora, he was led into the Nobody thing in very black-and-white terms and warned by Yen Sid not to let them "fool" him (i.e. talk to him, basically), because they weren't really people. So he's mostly just guilty of believing what a respected authority told him, which...he's sixteen. It happens. In many ways, it's Yen Sid's conduct that really annoys me, because he encouraged Sora to think that way about the Nobodies.
There's an interesting contrast here, Sora in KHII (right things, wrong reasons) vs. Riku in KHI (wrong things, right reasons).
I was going to reply to this thread before I saw that it'd continued. Whoops.
Things like this are the reason why I wish that Roxas and Sora could actually interact besides their DIve Into the Heart battle. Because since Namine told Roxas that the Organization was a 'group of people who are looking to be whole' or whatever her phrasing was, I feel like if Sora knew that it would have changed his approach to the whole thing (maybe).
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And I've always thought of CoM and KH2 as kind of a tragedy. The Nobodies were doing bad things but in a way they really could not possibly do anything differently, because it was impossible for them not to try to get hearts of their own. If getting hearts of their own necessitated committing genocide, then hallo genocide - it wasn't as if they were capable of remorse or anything like that, after all, and the current situation was so completely untenable that /not/ trying simply wasn't an option.
I find the whole thing tragic because of the inevitability of it all, and it always saddened me that Sora didn't seem to see that, didn't see that rather than doing bad things for a lark the Org genuinely did not have a choice. *sighs* It's an unpopular view in fandom, though, I've found; people tend to expect you to either go "the Org was EVIL and Sora was COMPLETELY RIGHT for ( ... )
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I for one am seriously willing to rework all my extensive theories if it means more Lexaeus. *hugs him* Also Xigbar, but Xigbar gets everywhere, so he barely counts.
To be fair to Sora, the Organization did a lot of flat-out bad stuff, and if they wouldn't stop turning people into Heartless it was necessary to stop them. (And, dearly as I love them, the ones Sora killed at Castle Oblivion kind of deserved it for messing with his head. They brought it on themselves in more ways than one.) On the other hand, Riku did something similar and Sora forgave him.
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There's an interesting contrast here, Sora in KHII (right things, wrong reasons) vs. Riku in KHI (wrong things, right reasons).
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Things like this are the reason why I wish that Roxas and Sora could actually interact besides their DIve Into the Heart battle. Because since Namine told Roxas that the Organization was a 'group of people who are looking to be whole' or whatever her phrasing was, I feel like if Sora knew that it would have changed his approach to the whole thing (maybe).
It's a thought hamster (since I hate bunnies).
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