Trying not to rant about spelling, grammar and punctuation being pretty damn useful, not to mention necessary. If I saw a list description with that many mistakes, it'd put me off right from the start, without even worrying about 'realistic'.
Don't get itstarbright73August 7 2003, 09:22:09 UTC
Who is Vincent? And if he was a crude personality on the show - why on earth making him a poesy reader on a list? And does reading poetry automatically make a character more amiable?
I've been seeing these personality transplants too much in fic lately - this need to remake characters into what you wished they were. I will never get it.
Vincent is the Beast from Beauty and the Beast, an 80's TV show. And he was an extremely well-read, well-educated, beautifully complex person. He *was* a wonderfully romantic person, loved poetry and philosophy. He was everything that person said that he was. However, he was ALSO everything that she said he wasn't.
I got particularly pissed since I'm not a fan and she'd *know* that if she had checked out my history instead of just my e-mail addy. I liked the show, but I'd never have joined the original lists if it hadn't been for my essay.
But yeah, being invited to random lists is even worse when the person inviting me is obviously everything I'm not.
That part of the show was unrealistic and unnessary.
That part of the show was *extremely* realistic and it was as necessary as the people who created the show deemed it to be, because that show was *their* art, not hers. People seem to forget that. These shows are someone's work, someone's art. Not *our* property. Things may seem "unnecessary" to us, but the Vincent she describes does not exist in the universe the rest of us watch, in the universe the author who wrote that show created, and she's writing AU.
Not to mention the minor issue that I am increasingly inclined to dismiss the opinions of someone in direct proportion to their inability to use their chosen language and the simple tools available to them to not look like a fool (spellcheck/online dictionary/grammar check).
Hey, nothing against AUs. They're often my chosen forum too. *grin*
But I'm kind of allergic to AU characterisation (unless it evolves naturally from an AU world). Of course people view the characters differently, but to say that she knows a certain characterisation is canonical from day one and in the same breath say she doesn't care... gah.
Mm. Obviously the language use does need work, but I have to admit, this sort of viewpoint makes at least as much sense to me as the one that only wants to look at unrelieved angst/misery/sordidness. Ever. :P
...Though you may be able to tell that the latter doesn't do much for me.
I have no problem with whoever this is wanting to have a place to discuss only his nice side, nor with her disapproval of violence, nor for that matter with her not liking every aspect of the character. On the other hand, while she is entitled to her opinion, from my own admittedly vague understanding of the show his violent side was rather unsurprising given the circumstances....
I don't think there's anything wrong with all fluff if we're talking about all fluff *people*. If someone says "Hey, let's have a fluff-only list for Joey Tribbiani" I'd be all for it. (I wouldn't *join*, but I'd be all for it.) But if a character canonically has two sides to him, I don't see how pointedly ignoring one of them is going to give any sort of insight.
You don't have to *approve* of everything a character does to think those actions are important part of their characterisation.
Of course, part of me is just pissed that she's randomly inviting people without checking such basic things as if they're actually *fans* first.
But if a character canonically has two sides to him, I don't see how pointedly ignoring one of them is going to give any sort of insight.
Well, I doubt it will, but sometimes I get the feeling that ignoring characters' positive sides is regarded as completely acceptable and, in fact, often worthy of applause. But perhaps that stands out in my mind more than it should because I don't enjoy it.
You don't have to *approve* of everything a character does to think those actions are important part of their characterisation.
Entirely agreed. Obviously, I hope. *g* Still, I can imagine a reasonably palatable "Quiet Times" sort of list devoted to an admittedly violent character's... times between fights. *shrug* I could be wrong, and frankly since from what you say it sounds like the internal conflict is half of what makes him interesting, I would imagine such a list to be moderately dull for my tastes (especially if it's not even to be mentioned as something he might not like... if he doesn't...) -- but it makes quite as much sense to me
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Well, I doubt it will, but sometimes I get the feeling that ignoring characters' positive sides is regarded as completely acceptable and, in fact, often worthy of applause.
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"That part of the show was unrealistic and unnecessary?"
Ooooookay.
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What, isn't rpmantic a word?
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And if he was a crude personality on the show - why on earth making him a poesy reader on a list? And does reading poetry automatically make a character more amiable?
I've been seeing these personality transplants too much in fic lately - this need to remake characters into what you wished they were. I will never get it.
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But we can't have a person who actually has more than one side to his personality, can we?
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But half of the fan group (it's a scary fandom for sure) apparently likes to think that he was just a little furry and that's all.
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*mocks happily*
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But yeah, being invited to random lists is even worse when the person inviting me is obviously everything I'm not.
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That part of the show was *extremely* realistic and it was as necessary as the people who created the show deemed it to be, because that show was *their* art, not hers. People seem to forget that. These shows are someone's work, someone's art. Not *our* property. Things may seem "unnecessary" to us, but the Vincent she describes does not exist in the universe the rest of us watch, in the universe the author who wrote that show created, and she's writing AU.
Not to mention the minor issue that I am increasingly inclined to dismiss the opinions of someone in direct proportion to their inability to use their chosen language and the simple tools available to them to not look like a fool (spellcheck/online dictionary/grammar check).
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But I'm kind of allergic to AU characterisation (unless it evolves naturally from an AU world). Of course people view the characters differently, but to say that she knows a certain characterisation is canonical from day one and in the same breath say she doesn't care... gah.
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...Though you may be able to tell that the latter doesn't do much for me.
I have no problem with whoever this is wanting to have a place to discuss only his nice side, nor with her disapproval of violence, nor for that matter with her not liking every aspect of the character. On the other hand, while she is entitled to her opinion, from my own admittedly vague understanding of the show his violent side was rather unsurprising given the circumstances....
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You don't have to *approve* of everything a character does to think those actions are important part of their characterisation.
Of course, part of me is just pissed that she's randomly inviting people without checking such basic things as if they're actually *fans* first.
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Well, I doubt it will, but sometimes I get the feeling that ignoring characters' positive sides is regarded as completely acceptable and, in fact, often worthy of applause. But perhaps that stands out in my mind more than it should because I don't enjoy it.
You don't have to *approve* of everything a character does to think those actions are important part of their characterisation.
Entirely agreed. Obviously, I hope. *g* Still, I can imagine a reasonably palatable "Quiet Times" sort of list devoted to an admittedly violent character's... times between fights. *shrug* I could be wrong, and frankly since from what you say it sounds like the internal conflict is half of what makes him interesting, I would imagine such a list to be moderately dull for my tastes (especially if it's not even to be mentioned as something he might not like... if he doesn't...) -- but it makes quite as much sense to me ( ... )
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Don't look at me. *grin*
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