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Feb 07, 2011 19:07


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go_back_chief February 7 2011, 21:30:55 UTC
Jesus Christ, if Swedish women dress like men, then maybe it's the men who dress like women? It's not like any of us are born with clothes, after all, a skirt is no more "inherently feminine" than it's "inherently masculine". I'd like to see an article about how the vaste majority of men dress in a substandard way and how that obviously reflects their boring/unmanly/repressed psyches, for a change. Why should only women get the entirety of their beings reduced to their choice of clothes?

On a related note, I recently saw some discussion board where parents had measured children's clothes and found that girls' clothes were usually much tighter than boys' clothes, even though it was the same size. So it doesn't seem like the fashion is as similar as these people claim, even for six-year-olds.

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kattahj February 8 2011, 05:27:50 UTC
after all, a skirt is no more "inherently feminine" than it's "inherently masculine"

Right! I mean, think about the Middle Eastern countries, where men have been wearing caftans for ages! The sultan even had pink flowery ones!

girls' clothes were usually much tighter than boys' clothes, even though it was the same size

Not just tighter, but shorter too. That's a special kind of wtf, that is.

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iroshi February 8 2011, 18:13:40 UTC
And doesn't my daughter hate that! She hates tight clothes. Which is making it difficult to convince her to layer in the cold weather this year. *sigh*

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kattahj February 8 2011, 20:17:06 UTC
Ugh, yeah, layer upon layer of tight clothes must be very restraining. (My only niece is ten months, so we haven't had that problem yet, though I guess it's coming. But maybe she can wear some of her brother's stuff.)

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therru February 8 2011, 11:09:44 UTC
Hear, hear.

You *could* of course also intrepret it as Swedish women being secure enough in their sex/gender identity that they don't *need* all the extraneous accoutrements of feminine-gender fashion, all the time. Even if it were true that we don't have different gender dress codes, which it isn't.

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kattahj February 8 2011, 20:19:44 UTC
Well, the argument wasn't that Sweden's women dressed like men, but that we dress boring, and that only men should dress boring. Or something. IDEK.

And I'm so baffled by the things considered feminine. Like hairless bodies. Who has that, naturally?

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iroshi February 8 2011, 18:12:24 UTC
Amen to all of the above. I was forever called a "tomboy" as a kid because I loved climbing trees, riding bikes, playing with the boys...playing "house" was boring. But dude. I LOVE swishy skirts. I love looking sexy at parties. I haven't cut my hair in over 20 years, just trimmed. It's down to my waist. But I was on the track team and in the karate club ( ... )

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kattahj February 8 2011, 20:31:04 UTC
Heh, yeah, I'm the other way around. I've always been a coward, and most of my games consisted of me sitting around with various dolls/Playmobile figures/random objects and having them interact with each other. (In my pedagogic doll-less Montessori preschool, I'd do it with geometric shapes.) It wasn't playing house as such, most of the time - though there was the "exploited orphan taking care of her little siblings" game - more like huge soapoperas with plots ranging from mundane to outlandish.

But I only wore makeup daily for three or four days before tiring of it, and the moment I started buying my own clothes my wardrobe became mainly black and grey. Admittedly, I did wear other things than jeans up until I got a cat, and the relaxed hoodie style I've got now is a gradual thing; I just feel that I'm so short and light-voiced that if I wear "cute" things it gives a completely wrong impression of my personality. And I was never into the whole girl clique thing, once those formed; it seemed so pointless.

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