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[kateorman]

Continuing to examine Rick Warren's claim that "For 5,000 years every single culture and every single religion has defined marriage as a man and a woman", I spent a few minutes Googling, and came up with multiple cultures for which this is not true.

There are cultures in Africa, including the largest ethnic group in Kenya, the Kikuyu, in which

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[outsdr]

I bet his rebuttal would be that these examples aren't "real" cultures.

[nyssa_p]

Damn right!

And in anthropology last year, I learnt that the definition of man and woman isn't even the same!
I forget which culture it is, but they actually define THREE genders: men, women, and men who act like women.

Looking at Warren's biography, the only real degree he did was arts and then he did a "masters" in "divinity" and "ministry". Uh right....and what do they "teach" there?

(I love using quotes to be sarcastic ^_^)

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[nyssa_p]

Oh BTW - I found this comment by our mate Rick Warren which made me giggle:
"There is a verse in the Bible that says the intelligent man is always open to new ideas; in fact, he looks for them."

Ah nothing better than an arrogant man who thinks he's open, but knows he's right *rolls eyes*

[outsdr]

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Thanks, I made it myself.

[kateorman]

I presume that they either are small or had bad PR agents

Well, it really depends where your interests lie. We had cable for a year or two, during which the National Geographic channel and similar greatly expanded my horizons. I'd already heard of the Mosuo thanks to a documentary called Secret China - The Female Kingdom, so when writing my posting, I just Googled the doco. :) But it really did only take a few minutes' Googling to turn up the Kikuyu (whom I knew a little bit about, as I put a Kikuyu character into SLEEPY) and their woman-woman marriages (which, again, I'd encountered before, in a feminist SF story). OTOH, you can fit what I know about, say, sports into a matchbox, without first removing the matches. (Take the matches out and my knowledge of geography would fit

[stephen_dedman]

Thanks for this, Kate. I knew about the polygynous cultures and laughed when I read Warren's statement - but I hadn't heard about the others.