Wasn't even there a random mention in TNG itself, an old professor of Picard saying that he was like a centurion patrolling the limits of the Roman Empire?
Ok, the centurion analogy doesn't work, but Caesar's? Damn well. The first seasons after Farpoint are Picard's Galic Wars... He is, in a way, a Caesar that preferred command of his army to political power (although his command was not without political power or repercussions, and he was hardly a faithful tool of the Federation/Senate).
Could have gone in a different way, though. Had the Founders infiltrated Earth during TNG instead of DS9... wow, the possibilities for Picard and his crew applying his particular style to Federation politics in the center, instead of mostly in the outer provinces of the Empire.
*makes sacrifices to your brain again, just in case*
Wasn't even there a random mention in TNG itself, an old professor of Picard saying that he was like a centurion patrolling the limits of the Roman Empire?
Ok, the centurion analogy doesn't work, but Caesar's? Damn well. The first seasons after Farpoint are Picard's Galic Wars... He is, in a way, a Caesar that preferred command of his army to political power (although his command was not without political power or repercussions, and he was hardly a faithful tool of the Federation/Senate).
Could have gone in a different way, though. Had the Founders infiltrated Earth during TNG instead of DS9... wow, the possibilities for Picard and his crew applying his particular style to Federation politics in the center, instead of mostly in the outer provinces of the Empire.
*makes sacrifices to your brain again, just in case*
Hee. After much tea and biscuits, athena25 and I worked out that it's because they fit certain archetypes, and multi-player shows draw on them quite heavily, rather than relying on a central hero-figure. I'm going to put this all together in a more coherent manner, I think, 'cause there's something there...
Devil's Advocateathena25August 13 2006, 11:53:27 UTC
Automatic Conflicting Response Generator says no (remember we practised this in Eng Lit).
Thinks a bit: umm, still no.
But the setting is soooooooooo different. It doesn't feel right, like inapropriate touching.
Thinks a bit more, having a butchers at aligning Rome characters with other montage shows such as Deadwood etc. Considers that there is possibly work to be done a la Propp on standard characterisation in such shows, like Emotionally Retarded Bloke who Only Reveals Feelings When Too Late (Vorenus and Sheriff from Deadwood) Powerful Patrician Character Who We Love Despite His Flaws (Caeser and Al S.) Manly 2nd in Command Who Women Want and Men Want to Be (Mark Anthony and Ryker).
Having had several first, second and third thoughts: Right. It can be done, but maybe because of the character category thingy. This could be the subject of a great essay which we should work together on (like all the other great essays we should have written). It would be like The Seven Plots or Mythology of the Folktale only for character
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Re: Devil's AdvocatekangeikoAugust 13 2006, 20:37:22 UTC
We so have to write this. It would be actual fun to research it. *bounce bounce* I also love your arcana method - I'm going to look online and see if anything exists regarding that. Surely someone must have written a counter to Propp?
My intial thought is that it could be done, to a degree. But it might be messy and require some crowbarring. Alot of characters will fit more than one archetype or none depending on what the author decides to do with the plot,
e.g.
Leo in WW starts as some kind of stately sage figure who is a final port of call for advice and decisions. But when the drugs storyline comes along he is thrust to the centre and forced to rely on the wisdom and efforts of others (like josh's attempts to get the republican congressman out of the hearing)
Another example is V. Evey looks like a good candidate for the outsider. but V himself is a conundrum. He has sufficient power and understanding of the situation to be a patriarch (more so than Susan)And he acts in a similar paternal way to evey. However he also incorporates the dashingness of you're right hand man guy and the trixiness of the trickster.
He's like what you'd get if you cast Loki as james bond and he was your Dad.
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Wasn't even there a random mention in TNG itself, an old professor of Picard saying that he was like a centurion patrolling the limits of the Roman Empire?
Ok, the centurion analogy doesn't work, but Caesar's? Damn well. The first seasons after Farpoint are Picard's Galic Wars... He is, in a way, a Caesar that preferred command of his army to political power (although his command was not without political power or repercussions, and he was hardly a faithful tool of the Federation/Senate).
Could have gone in a different way, though. Had the Founders infiltrated Earth during TNG instead of DS9... wow, the possibilities for Picard and his crew applying his particular style to Federation politics in the center, instead of mostly in the outer provinces of the Empire.
*makes sacrifices to your brain again, just in case*
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Wasn't even there a random mention in TNG itself, an old professor of Picard saying that he was like a centurion patrolling the limits of the Roman Empire?
Ok, the centurion analogy doesn't work, but Caesar's? Damn well. The first seasons after Farpoint are Picard's Galic Wars... He is, in a way, a Caesar that preferred command of his army to political power (although his command was not without political power or repercussions, and he was hardly a faithful tool of the Federation/Senate).
Could have gone in a different way, though. Had the Founders infiltrated Earth during TNG instead of DS9... wow, the possibilities for Picard and his crew applying his particular style to Federation politics in the center, instead of mostly in the outer provinces of the Empire.
*makes sacrifices to your brain again, just in case*
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Thinks a bit: umm, still no.
But the setting is soooooooooo different. It doesn't feel right, like inapropriate touching.
Thinks a bit more, having a butchers at aligning Rome characters with other montage shows such as Deadwood etc. Considers that there is possibly work to be done a la Propp on standard characterisation in such shows, like Emotionally Retarded Bloke who Only Reveals Feelings When Too Late (Vorenus and Sheriff from Deadwood) Powerful Patrician Character Who We Love Despite His Flaws (Caeser and Al S.) Manly 2nd in Command Who Women Want and Men Want to Be (Mark Anthony and Ryker).
Having had several first, second and third thoughts: Right. It can be done, but maybe because of the character category thingy. This could be the subject of a great essay which we should work together on (like all the other great essays we should have written). It would be like The Seven Plots or Mythology of the Folktale only for character ( ... )
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Also, there was cake. *smooches you*
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e.g.
Leo in WW starts as some kind of stately sage figure who is a final port of call for advice and decisions. But when the drugs storyline comes along he is thrust to the centre and forced to rely on the wisdom and efforts of others (like josh's attempts to get the republican congressman out of the hearing)
Another example is V. Evey looks like a good candidate for the outsider. but V himself is a conundrum. He has sufficient power and understanding of the situation to be a patriarch (more so than Susan)And he acts in a similar paternal way to evey. However he also incorporates the dashingness of you're right hand man guy and the trixiness of the trickster.
He's like what you'd get if you cast Loki as james bond and he was your Dad.
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He's like what you'd get if you cast Loki as james bond and he was your Dad.
= scariest thing EVER.
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