Racefail 09 2.0.0.1: I warn you, the fail is rich and deep with this one.

May 29, 2009 14:28

Okay. Someone else is gonna have to jump up deal with this one, because the fail is so rich and deep, like an infinite aquatic body of privileged white stupidity topped off with majestic whitecaps of modfail that I don't even know where to begin ( Read more... )

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tavella May 29 2009, 23:57:46 UTC
Honestly, it's the mods that are pissing me off as much as anything. Cissie_king is being a passive aggressive bitch all over the place, and they are treating anyone stands up to her as offenders who need warnings.

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kali921 May 30 2009, 00:10:05 UTC
I'd say she's gone beyond passive aggressive to outright full steam ahead damn-the-torpedoes aggressive, and she's apparently so clueless that she actually pulled out the "tone" argument.

The mods? They keep trying to rebrand the S_D comms as an anti-racist comm ZOMG NO RACISM WILL BE TOLERATED, but they rarely seem to actually call people out on derailing or insulting behavior when racism is discussed, and in so doing they wind up looking anything but evenhanded. (I was pleasantly surprised that any of them actually bothered to respond to my post last week featuring Jeff Parker and Kyle Hotz's racefail but less pleasantly surprised that they didn't tell the derailers to take the high road out of Dodge.) The lack of commitment is increasingly more and more nauseating. They've kind of crippled themselves with so much of a focus on the S_D Golden Rule rather than identifying and stopping derailing behavior and outright racism. If you're going to take a specifically political stance in the user info for the comms - anti-ablist, anti- ( ... )

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kali921 May 30 2009, 01:05:25 UTC
He reports that he was told today that he was banned from both NS_D and S_D 2.0 and that the proximal cause was his comments to cissie_king in the post I linked to above. If the facts are different, please let me know, because I don't want to misrepresent what happened.

I do understand that the mods may view his past behavior on the comm as very problematic and rude, but banning him from both comms as a result of him calling someone out on their white privilege and derailing on one of the comms? Frankly, it really, really doesn't make the modding look good, particularly coupled with the fact that apparently at least one mod is invested in excusing cissie's Mein Kampf remarks because they were made with "good intentions." Hi, I'm Jewish. I find that attitude repulsive ( ... )

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neo_prodigy May 30 2009, 00:14:39 UTC
Oh shit.

*bookmarks to read later at home.*

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kali921 May 30 2009, 00:23:09 UTC
Sorry. I've got nothing but bad news today!

The noscans_daily clusterviolation is dense, I warn you. I honestly felt that cissie_king was on her way to making a couple of decent points, but she hamstrung herself as soon as she Self-Godwined™.

And Dwaaaaayne. I may not have been thrilled with all of his writing (and story choices) on the JLA book, but the consistently high quality of his output overall? God, it's such a WASTE to lose him, and I'm furious that DC, after making his writing experience less than enjoyable while he was on the book, apparently fires him for talking about behind the scenes stuff at DC ON DC'S OWN OFFICIAL BOARDS for the past TWO YEARS. They couldn't quietly take him aside and...ask him to stop? McDuffie states that they told him that it wasn't due to the quality of his writing or low sales, so they've just effectively branded themselves as complete asswipes.

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neo_prodigy May 30 2009, 01:29:40 UTC
I've been a huge fan of Dwayne's since his run with Bruce Timm on Justice League. He's the only reason I picked up the JLA title because he was seriously kicking ass.

This might warrant a post over in foc_u for discussion.

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kali921 May 30 2009, 01:37:10 UTC
I've loved Dwayne ever since...god, ever since Damage Control. ALBERT CLEARY, MOTHERFUCKERS ( ... )

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Ahem. kali921 May 30 2009, 01:11:19 UTC
Ahem.

Here are two pages from the issue.

Note that she's pictured with John Stewart.

Can you tell me why the Star Sapphire aura -- and the Sapphires, at least thus far in the lead up to Blackest Night, tend to glow violet/pink -- would magically make a woman with brown to dark brown skin look...yellowish white?

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Re: Ahem. kali921 May 30 2009, 17:01:13 UTC
You know what, I'll post more scans from the issue. I think what upset me most is that Fatality has often been drawn/colored as dark as, say, John Stewart, and here she's about six shades lighter. In context with what happened with Vixen in 2008, it's really, really unfortunate that DC does this.

I also agree that the rules and physics of how light reflects and refracts in a comicsverse have absolutely nothing to do with real life, and that we have to suspend any notion of how light works in the real world when looking at comic art. Still, the colorist should have done a better job. Look at Alex Ross' new covers of Thulsa Doom from the upcoming series - Ross can be very good at showing how light reflects and refracts off of skin that isn't white. Those covers are things of beauty in that way, and more colorists at DC would be wise to make note of what he does.

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dharmapunk May 30 2009, 01:01:56 UTC
Wow, Fatality got even whiter than Vixen, at least Vixen looked like she maybe had a tan.

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kali921 May 30 2009, 01:06:41 UTC
Wow, Fatality got even whiter than Vixen

And that, good sir, was my FIRST thought.

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dharmapunk May 30 2009, 01:11:11 UTC
It must be really nice for people who are able to just pretend racism is some horrible thing that crazy rednecks do when they burn crosses or say the "n-word" and isn't inherent in fucking every god damn thing ever. Same for sexism, homophobia, etc. "Just relax dude, you're getting wound up over nothing, stop being such a pussy fag. lol"

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dharmapunk May 30 2009, 01:11:48 UTC
Obviously exaggerating, it's not inherent in EVERYTHING, just enough that it's easily visible every day.

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outlawpoet May 30 2009, 01:23:07 UTC
rrrrrr.

I couldn't bear to participate, other than to point out something I couldn't let stand, her assertion that Green Arrow was a *generic* hero with no special "American" cultural milieu, which would play anywhere, and why can't Japanese people have the same wonderful culturally detached heroes?

Like Errol Flynn is some grand universal constant across cultures or something. Accch

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kali921 May 30 2009, 01:26:41 UTC
I couldn't bear to participate, other than to point out something I couldn't let stand, her assertion that Green Arrow was a *generic* hero with no special "American" cultural milieu,

THANK YOU. I almost bit my own tongue in half when I read her Green Arrow comments. Because it certainly couldn't be that your own Western acculturation makes you view a superhero who is very specifically evocative of an English folkloric hero as culturally detached and culturally neutral, right? Right?

...Right?

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lady_ganesh June 1 2009, 18:26:47 UTC
...and now I am picking my jaw up off the floor because I cannot believe anyone would say that with a straight face.

And actually, it points out one more aspect of the larger issue-- we like Green Arrow because of that cultural connection. It makes him part of a lineage, and it makes him more fun. (Just as Japanese anime and manga have a number of iconic characters based on Goku of The Journey to the West.)

Here from linkspam on Dreamwidth.

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kali921 June 1 2009, 18:30:53 UTC
Hello, I've seen you around being generally awesome about RaceFail. :-)

Can I ask who linked to me from Dreadmwidth? (I'm over on Dreamwidth but fail at reading my DW flist.)

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