Weasel language

[kainrocket]

Hi Internet,

If you dog pile someone from a socially accepted unassailable position of strength you are not a hero. Particularly if you engage in dissent shaming and complain about people being mindless. Then go on to imply that this person is engaging in behaviour, or in this case thinking, that contributes to a pretty damn serious issues like

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[kainrocket]

Anybody who you feel should be able to see this is welcome to contact me. Please feel free to pass along my contact details. I trust your confidence.

[friendpersonpat]

This is the classiest shit I've ever seen.

[kainrocket]

Thanks!

[friendpersonpat]

That was complete sarcasm.

[kainrocket]

Yeah, I know. A lot of this has just been a visceral response from me.

[unclejam]

Hi Cemil, I'm Tom

[kainrocket]

We appear to have a very similar background. My mum's a strong person and my dad is quite happy to have her that way. Basically I learned very early that you treat people the way you want to be treated

[unclejam]

I feel that I should be clear, and to say this publically and explicitly.

I do not deny that any given person has been bullied in their past. The fact that I have a physical scar rather than purely mental ones is my misfortune but does not mean other people were not also abused.

I believe that calling others the name of the abuser is not a good way to cause them to shape up their behavior. It would be better, for instance, to say 'I feel you're being rather unfair to James personally here, as in (short quote) and as his friend I would appreciate it if you could focus upon the topic without what seem to me to be digs at his person.' I feel that it would be better because you are focusing upon the sin and not the sinner (so to speak).

Continued, due to Vladimir Putin's character limits

[unclejam]

I resent the implication that I am somehow sharing in some profound evil because I share opinions with others regarding topics of great importance to me. I feel that you are telling me that if I don't shut up, I'm bad. I think this is an almost precise reversion of the position that you seem to be asserting people are holding by disagreeing (perhaps even vociferously) with James' article.

I also feel that you are asserting that you know better, and are wiser, than me, which I have found to be a common inference I draw from the rhetorical tone that you take in posts such as this one, as well as in common textual discourse. I will be explicit that I am saying that I feel this... it is a perception, a vision I have. I am not asserting that it is objectively true; I will say that, knowing myself, I feel that this is what you are doing. I will say that it is quite likely merely a manner of speech coming through from your own background, reading habits, linguistic history, etc. and it has kept me from speaking on the matter thus far. I

Re: Continued, due to Vladimir Putin's character limits

[kainrocket]

Fucken Vladamir Putin.

Re: Continued, due to Vladimir Putin's character limits

[kainrocket]

Now for my more serious reply to here. Like I said above I don't give a damn about the frequency. People's right to live a free life where they can put forward their point of view is unassailable

Re: Continued, due to Vladimir Putin's character limits

[kainrocket]

Blah I screwed up part of this. Whatever it's late and I'm tired.

[litagemini]

I don't think I'll comment in James' thread, because I kind of rested my case on Feminist Frequency months ago. But for the record, it doesn't seem to me, as someone who missed the whole thing, as if any of the dissenting arguments are particularly rude. They're just dissenting arguments. The comment you replied to in particular was perfectly civil.

So I'm not getting it. Are you just upset because everyone seems to disagree with his post?

[kainrocket]

You know what you're right. I had a visceral response to James reaction on Mumble and it made me see red. This post was a mistake.

[litagemini]

Thank you for that. I mean, not that I'm mad or anything, I just hate to see friends fight over stuff. I like to think that people can disagree on the internet about points without it getting personal. I think gender-relation conversations get particularly heated sometimes, especially recently. I know there's been lots of times I wanted to step back from this stuff just to give myself a break.

[kainrocket]

Thank you for that. I appreciate your time, your words and the fact that you acknowledged this.