The Other Shoe Dropping - Pope Francis Says About Paris Attacks "Freedom of Speech Has Limits"

[jordan179]

Introduction

Recently -- barely noticed amidst the other reactions to the Al Quaeda Arabian Peninsula attack on Paris that killed 17 people and resulted in the destructioln of 3 physically-humanoid animals carrying out the attacks in Paris -- Pope Francis made a very interesting comment, reported here on BBC News:

The pontiff said religions had

Comments

[anonymous]

I think you may already know what the answer is. Neoreaction is the alternative you're looking for. Respond if you need an introduction to it.

[jordan179]

Um, what the heck is "neoreaction?"

Neoreaction

[anonymous]

Shame on you! Neoreaction is the cutting edge of 21st century Internet political thought.

Do you remember Quonster from the halcyon days of Usenet? He was the unrecognized precedessor of the movement. Neoreaction, also called neofeudalism, is development of feudalist thought from utopia to science.

What was utopian socialism of Fourier and Saint-Simon to Marxism, Quonsterism is to Neoreaction.

For short introduction, look for "Unqualified reservations" blog of "Mencius Moldbug" and prepare for few afternoons and evenings spent there.

Re: Neoreaction

[jordan179]

Oh no, not that ... rule by "credentialed" elites? The rejection of merit for birth? The brilliant success of traditional Korean society (which in point of fact crashed bloodily under the hammer-blows of the Japanese and Russians)? Or of the Second Reich (which lost World War One)?

How exactly is this supposed to make a society more competitive and efficient, either economically or militarily? I well remember this nonsense ...

[gothelittle]

Although I disagree with the notion that we must curb our freedom of religious expression to avoid violence from offended persons, I will agree with Pope Francis's apparent message, being that Christians should be reining in their own speech voluntarily and as part of their faith and religion... not to avoid giving offense, but to avoid the level of hatred shown in many of the worse Charlie cartoons.

As I taught my son when he tried to pull 'Freedom of Speech' on me (in third grade!) to justify mouthing off at me, the purpose behind this freedom was to make us personally accountable, not to encourage us to go around saying whatever we feel like saying.

I choose to not deliberately provoke Muslims by acting in such a way that would antagonize *any* religious person, not out of fear of them, not out of obedience to the government, but out of self-respect.

(I have no problem with provoking them, deliberately or not, by discussing my faith, going outside without a burqa, eating pork chops on 9/11, etc.)

[mosinging1986]

Ha! Your son is a clever kid! Too bad he had to learn the hard way that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply when it comes to kids and parents. Bummer!

I choose to not deliberately provoke Muslims by acting in such a way that would antagonize *any* religious person, not out of fear of them, not out of obedience to the government, but out of self-respect.

The problem is that EVERYTHING seems to provoke some Muslims. The very fact that people exist who do not wish to bow to their ideology provokes them - provokes them so much that they murder you for it.

And speaking facts about their ideology REALLY provokes them!

[gothelittle]

"The problem is that EVERYTHING seems to provoke some Muslims. The very fact that people exist who do not wish to bow to their ideology provokes them - provokes them so much that they murder you for it.

And speaking facts about their ideology REALLY provokes them!"

In complete agreement there, and I see no need to avoid provocation of that sort. :)

I haven't seen all of the indicated cartoons, but people whom I tend to trust has said that they range from (to us) innocuous to funny to some things that would offend any reasonable person. That last category is the one I avoid.

Honor culture and Argentina

[ext_2076329]

To be fair, it's been a long time since it's been acceptable in Argentina to kill somebody over insulting your mother. Fistfight, sure.

If the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists had faced no worse harassment than being asked to step outside and engage in fisticuffs with an individual Muslim, obviously they'd be alive today.

Re: Honor culture and Argentina

[justgin1978]

Good point! Yes, the Pope did say if you insulted his mom you could expect a punch, but he didn't say he'd kill that person. Quite a difference there between his response and the Islamists. It's ok if they get upset but they take it too far, but to be fair, isn't this exactly what their holy book tells them to do? I recall the phrase "kill the infidel".

[justgin1978]

You know, it really doesn't matter in the long run whether we properly respect Islam or not; the extremists still consider us the "infidel" and if we don't convert then we must die. I guess those who insult Islam will just be more likely to die sooner.

[silent_o]

I'll gladly donate a truckload of salt for dispersal on the charred earth that was once a cancerous cultural tumor. Probably have a while to stockpile since the current crop of neutered ivory tower "intellectuals" won't act until catastrophe is visited directly on their doorstep.
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"Oh! The violence is so terrible! We shouldn't antagonize them! We might have to defend ourselves! Poor widdle Caliphate!"

Perhaps events on the horizon may cause this attitude to disappear from (or at least diminish in prevalence)the Western memepool. Hopefully without too much damage on our side.