The Toxicity of Islam in America

[jordan179]

mangoflush made the mistake of asking me, probably not expecting an answer:

Name one incident where a fundamentalist muslim has killed an American on US soil after 9/11 (with a credible news source).

Wait. That's too easy. Name ten. ;)(http://mangoflush.livejournal ( Read more... )

Comments

[heathen_wolf]

Thank you for clairifying that Christians have managed to dull their bloodlust over the last century...at least, en masse.

But dont call Islam the Religion of Death. Thats sort of disrespectful to Death ;) I really doubt the Grim Reaper is wearing a turbin under that cloak. Seriously.

[mosinging1986]

There is no bloodlust in Christianity. Christianity does not teach any such thing. Go read the Koran and tell me that's the case there.

Good grief, but I am so sick and tired of this willful ignorance!

[heathen_wolf]

See how Al'lah sends Madness upon the Infidel in preparation for Slaughter?

Better start growing your beard long and reverently reciting the Koran...

[mosinging1986]

Better start growing your beard long and reverently reciting the Koran...

Ack! Kind of a scary thought, since I am a woman.

But hey, it won't matter because I'll be covered with the veil or the burqa anyway!

[pogo101]

When I was younger, I believed that Islam was just another way -- like many other major religions -- of guessing at the same spiritual truth.

As time passes, I'm getting more and more examples suggesting to me that the Islamic deity is more like Conan's Crom than the Judeo-Christian God, at least based on the actions of the putative followers of both.

[mosinging1986]

Like many people, I did not know much about Islam until after 9/11. It seems reasonable to expect that after an event of this magnitude, people would be curious about the religion that the perpetrators followed. Upon first glance, it would have been normal to assume that these murderers followed no religion, since what religion could possibly teach or condone such behavior?

So I understand the initial reluctance to believe this about Islam. It's so completely foreign to the way Americans (really, any civilized peoples) think.

But here we are 8 years later and as demonstrated in this thread, not only people STILL just as ignorant about Islam, they won't even accept or even look at evidence when it is presented clearly to them.

That is what gets me.

[mindstalk]

What "Judeo-Christian" God? The Jewish God told the Jews to wipe out their enemies down to the last baby, never mind the masses he killed himself, and prescribed stoning for lots of crimes, like false prophecy or adultery. The Christian God talked a nicer game, apart from the eternal torment bit.

[pogo101]

You appear to have missed my final clause,

at least based on the actions of the putative followers of both.

Now try again. It's easy to find violence being condoned or even urged in many religious texts. Try addressing what I actually wrote, instead of what you wish I'd written. (This is why you're pre-emptively banned on my and numerous other journals, but Jordan prefers to let you display your lack of intellect.)

[kitten_goddess]

I agree with you that fundamentalist Muslims, on the whole, are far more dangerous than fundamentalist Christians. However, I disagree with this: "I have known for some time that Islam is the Religion of Death." Not all Muslims are batshit crazy homicidal maniacs.

[sianmink]

Some Muslims, the great majority in fact, manage to do just as the rest of the modern world has done, and rationalize away the more violent, less socially acceptable teachings of their holy book.

[kitten_goddess]

But even those Muslims who "rationalize away the more violent...teachings of their holy book" will have children. Who will grow up in Western society into teenage Angst, rebelling against their Plastic People parents.

And the "Batshit Crazies" will take those rebellious young American-Muslims and appeal to them with their Pure Koran, their Pure Islam, Just As It Was In The Time Of The Prophet, the Perpetual Year One of the Hegira. And another generation of Jihadis and Hashasheen will go forth to get their 72 virgins in Paradise.

[mosinging1986]

Not all Muslims are batshit crazy homicidal maniacs.

Who is saying that they are?

However, I disagree with this: "I have known for some time that Islam is the Religion of Death."

Why would you disagree with that? That's what Islam teaches, that's what those Muslims who obey those teachings do.

What more evidence do you need?

[jordan179]

NOI counts as Islam in their own looney minds, so sure. But was Clemmons' attempting his own personal jihad there?

[jordan179]

Sounds like the people on that site think that Clemmons was attempting a jihad, anyway. By the way, is the humor on that site intentional or unintentional?

[jordan179]

Needless to say, no such wave of Christian fundamentalist religious terrorism over that eight-year period, or indeed any eight-year period within the last century, can be found.

I guess that's excluding the whole attacking abortion doctors, planned parenthood clinics and any gay dude they happen to come across, correct?

No, that's actually including it. I suspect that if you took the anti-abortion terrorists and added all the Neo-Nazis, KKK'ers etc., you wouldn't match even the absolute number of murders committed by Muslims in America post 9-11 to the present day (52, counting the recent Binghamton killing), let alone reach the equivalent per capita level (which would require around 5200).

If you wish to prove me wrong, you're welcome to produce your statistics.