RP - How to End the Palestinian Problem -- For Once and For All!

[jordan179]

This is a repost of one I made back in January 1st, 2007. I don't think that any of the facts on the ground have changed to alter my opinions on the matter. If anything, Obama's election and his pro-Palestinian policies have made matters WORSETwenty years ago, I would have been more optimistic about the possibilities for peace between Isral and

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[lather2002]

I've been saying what you have in your above comment since the end of the "1967 War" I never thought that Israel should have returned the Sinai Peninsula or the Gaza Strip.

But, as far as your item 3# goes, well, when (and I do mean when) Iran finally has nuclear weapons and a delivery system able to strike Israel it will not hesitate to do so. It is only a matter of when. I seriously doubt that Iran will ever have a government that is either benign or friendly to Israel. Of course at one time they did have friendly or at least cordial relations with Israel, but that was when the Shah Of Iran was in power. Jimmy Carter made sure that did not last. And anyone that says that the U S Government under President Carter is not responsible for the Shah's abdication is full of shit and is ignorant of history. Anyway, just saying ...

[jordan179]

Iran isn't Arab, it's Aryan (literally); and I think that if Iran strikes Israel with nuclear weapons her motives will have nothing to do with the Palestinian Arabs, no matter what Iran claims (in the short time that Iran continues to exist after launching such an attack).

And yes, Jimmy Carter bears the primary responsibility for failing to prevent the emergence of the Islamic Republic of Iran, because he failed to support the Shah in his hour of need. I doubt that Carter meant to bring such a malign regime into being, but extreme naivete in a world leader is a failing, not an excuse.

[lather2002]

Iran may not be Arab but it is a Islamic Nation w/a Islamic regime and yes it will use the Palestinian card as one of it's main reasons that it declares to the world at large. And when Iran does strike Israel it will do so with a massive first strike attack. Which of course, no matter what Israel does in response will almost guarantee the end of Israel as a viable Nation State.

And Jimmy Carter I do not think was that naive. I think he along w/others had a sinister reason for doing what he did. Just saying ...

[jordan179]

I would actually not be that surprised if the Iranians jumped the gun and attacked Israel when they had only a few warheads, and those only of the nuclear fission type with yields in the tens of kilotons each. Such a strike would fail to end Israel "as a viable Nation State," though it would kill hundreds of thousands of Israelis, and probably goad the survivors to retaliate with dozens of H-bombs, meaning the end of Iran as a viable nation state.

Sadly, this may represent the best possible outcome for Israel, unless the Israelis strike first and strike soon to knock out the Iranian nuclear weapons production capability.

And Jimmy Carter I do not think was that naive. I think he along w/others had a sinister reason for doing what he did. Just saying ...

You'll have to be more explicit, as the fall of the Shah turned out to be very much not to Jimmy Carter's advantage? What possible "sinister reason" would have been, to Jimmy Carter, worth losing the 1980 election?

[anonymous]

They are a self-selected minority of the stupid and insane: the smart and sane Palestinian Arabs long ago either became Israeli Arabs or emigrated to other lands. What is left in Palestine are the dregs -- the people and the children of people who insisted on staying and fighting in a hopeless and pointless cause.

"Do you know how the race of Orcs first came into existence?"

And was the scream of the Reavers in Firefly really a slurred "AL'LAH'U AKBAR!"?

[irked_indeed]

Er- no, it wasn't.

Now we are getting racist- stupid or fanatical people they may be, but they're not subhuman.

[jordan179]

I wouldn't call them "orcs" -- they're human beings -- but they are, especially among the older males, self-selected for fanaticism, stupidity and maliciousness. The moderate, smart and nice ones mostly bend their efforts toward leaving the country.

[yechezkiel]

Of course, the Israelis would also expel the (remaining) innocent Palestinian Christians, as well, leaving them to go to further torments in Jordan, Syria, etc. Or they'd just come here, as they have been doing in droves for decades, now.

[jordan179]

Of course, the Israelis would also expel the (remaining) innocent Palestinian Christians, as well, leaving them to go to further torments in Jordan, Syria, etc.

They might, or they might not. If you're right that the Palestinian Christians tend not to support the terrorist organizations, they might be able to make an exception for them.

[yechezkiel]

They don't, and they treat them like dirt, anyhow.

[superversive]

Too many theys in that sentence; I couldn’t follow. Who treats whom like dirt anyhow?