Chimp for the Goose is Chimp for the Gander

[jordan179]

I was moderately shocked -- though I shouldn't have been, by the implicit claim, made in the comments, that it is ok to destroy the print run of the New York Post, and the explicit claim, made later in the comments, that it was ok for the Democrats to call Bush a "chimp" but would not be ok for the Republicans to do so regarding Obama. Here's the

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[heathen_wolf]

The only reason it would be wrong is because Obama is black. Blacks have been called 'jungle bunnies' or 'monkeys' for years now, so calling him a chimp would be a racially inflammatory comment.

Which, oddly for me to say, is stupid. If I can call Bush a chimp, than you should be able to call Obama a chimp. Fairs fair, right?

[jordan179]

Exactly. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If you want my opinion, it's pretty silly to express political dissent by calling the President a chimp. OTOH, that's not what the Post did.

What they said was that the stimulus package was so poorly conceived it might as well have been written by a crazed chimp. That's why the Left is reallY mad -- someone called their policy stupid. They fear this association -- because the stimulus package happens to be very stupid.

[heathen_wolf]

Perhaps the thing they fear, by being called stupid, is that they will be associated with the very thing they hate (or hated for 8 years, anyway). Thus becoming hypocrites, which is a sort of stereotype liberals also hate, on the social playing field....that is, they will be seen as such and are aware of that.

What strikes me as funny, the more I look at it, is that regardless of your political party, people tend to hate everything about the other party or parties. And this is something I am realizing to be silly....it would seem that all parties have something positive to add to the government, however they are too busy arguing, hateing each other, to do any good at all. For anyone.

[spiffystuff]

But it's different when it's a black guy!!!
(I'm only half serious. It'd be foolish to say that minorities have never been called "primitive", including by comparing them to primates, but of course it's not uncommon for any disfavored figure to be compared with a monkey, particularly, as you said, Bush. Darwin also comes to mind...)

Ehh, too bad the cartoon was Unfunny or I might care more. I'm not fond of such ham-handed political "humor" where you could insert any (politician, party)'s name and the thing is the same.

[mosinging1986]

Holy cow, you've got some winners over there. I love how when you actually address the issue you are called a troll. LOL!

Seriously though, it infuriates me that these people apologized. I mentioned it in a post the other day. I haven't gone back yet to see if my point was REMOTELY addressed.

Eight years of slander and outright lies against President Bush and never a word of apology from anyone. One stupid cartoon that may possibly be offensive (I haven't seen it, only read the descriptions) and everyone's up in arms and the newspaper apologizes.

And no one, anywhere sees the double standard. When something is that glaring and yet people won't see it, how can you get your point across? It's like standing in front of someone, bleeding from every pore and still having to explain to that other person that there's something wrong.

Such people live in an alternate reality of their own making. It's beyond my ability to comprehend.

[mosinging1986]

I refer you to the "Principles of Newspeak" by G.Orwell, with special attention to the sections on "doublethink" and "blackwhite".

Because The Party Can Do No Wrong.

[steltek]

As an artist, this is an issue very close to home for me. Let anyone decry a publication they support and call for a boycott, and they will forget the definition of censorship so they can claim to be victims of it. However, that forgotten definition will suddenly be remembered as soon as they find something that shatters their own brittle sensibilities, and they will piously claim to be staunch defenders of the first amendment, merely exercising their own freedoms in calling for the incineration of the offending party's property.

[jordan179]

Why not comment directly to dirkcjelli in the comment where he made the not-so-veiled threat? It was the first comment made here. http://princejvstin.livejournal.com/1292638.html

Don't expect politeness, though. If you look at the thread, you'll note that when I pointed this out, dirkcjelli called me a "troll" and wondered why I wasn't banned yet.

[steltek]

I have found through experience that when someone calls themselves "Anti-Censorship", what they mean is THEY want to be The Censor. Or at least to have everything censored by a censor Who Agrees Completey With MEEEEEEE!

[oronoda]

What I don't understand is if you actually look at the cartoon, the Chimp is more a reference to Congress than Obama. "We have to get someone else to write the Stimulus Bill". Obama didn't write it. The author also was making reference to the woman getting attacked by the crazy Chimp. People are just seeing what they want so they can have something to complain about.

[gothelittle]

I bet if Obama was the House majority leader and Pelosi was President, they'd claim that it was talking about Obama so that it could be a racial slur.