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jlh

why we fight

Oct 12, 2010 21:38

Look, I know most of you guys feel this show is mostly full of fail after fail after fail and can't understand why anyone would ever watch it. But you know, so is Supernatural, and I don't hear a lot of people ragging too awfully much on the right of folks to watch two brothers drive around in an Impala chasing ghosts ( Read more... )

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junesrose October 13 2010, 01:59:41 UTC

I missed tonight's Glee cause I'm a work. BUT, I'm a spoiler whore and watched this clip...this..OMG! I'm old enough that I probably saw this episode live the firs time but who can remember that far back?

And, I love how the outfits totally match the statuses, stati? of the two women: the new, shiny Babs in the little innocent sailor outfit, and the Grand Dame in a very elegent shirt dress - the rank and "seniority" per se jsut scream at me. Love this!!

I cannot wait to watch this episode!

jlh October 13 2010, 02:54:08 UTC

It was so good! A really great episode.

shakespearechic October 13 2010, 02:00:30 UTC

:-D

And for the record I still love GLEE and Supernatural. I think people take elements of GLEE waaaaay too seriously, and after being in its fandom from the ground for I am sort of burnt out on all the complaining. But it doesn't matter to me, because I simply enjoying watching it and that's all that matters.

jlh October 13 2010, 02:55:11 UTC

I know folks who watch SPN and I think that's great, whatever! I just get frustrated with all the criticism of Glee when there are other shows that miss the mark much more and no one ever hears about them.

shakespearechic October 13 2010, 03:32:35 UTC

Exactly. Glee has become the lightning rod for people to criticize (which, as you mention elsewhere, isn't always unwarranted) but lots and lots of other escape equally warranted criticism. I feel like some of the criticism of it is very LOUD because it's tied in with the inevitable backlash of it being popular and occasionally omnipresent in pop culture right now.

And Glee is totally about being different and taking chances - even if they don't always pan out. For example, I am so glad they touched back on the Kurt-Finn incident and finally pointed out that while Finn was wrong, so was Kurt. Of course, um, maybe Ryan Murphy was just reacting to all the criticism about that... ;-)

jenncho October 13 2010, 02:06:35 UTC

I totally spazzed at the HDAHA/GH part because no lie I just finished watching my Judy Duets dvd yesterday. This is why I'm happy I don't read song spoilers.

I don't care how lame and cheesy this show is. I love it. I love everything about it.

jlh October 13 2010, 03:03:18 UTC

I love it. But then I also love Dancing with the Stars, and I spent my formative years watching 70s television, so you know, lingering love for Battle of the Network Stars informs how I watch television.

Also we love Simon. Q.E.D.

I go back and forth on song spoilers. I find hearing the titles and even who is singing them doesn't really affect me much (same with Idol). I avoid seeing the little videos of the performances, though.

eonism October 13 2010, 02:09:09 UTC

GLEE looks like fun, but I just never got into it. However, I do love Supernatural no matter how stupid it gets. And it does get pretty stupid. But there's also compelling man-drama and hot guys on it, so. Uh.

*burns street cred card*

jlh October 13 2010, 03:05:19 UTC

Yeah, I mean, SPN is a perfectly fine show! It's just frustrating to hear people endlessly ragging on Glee and not on like, the 45 other shows on network television that have nearly entirely white male casts.

karenhealey October 13 2010, 02:09:37 UTC

Yeah, I'm still watching, despite all my problems with the many fails. Because damn, when they're on, they're on.

jlh October 13 2010, 03:12:02 UTC

It isn't that the criticism of Glee isn't warranted. It's more that there's a lot of criticism of Glee, and I don't see a lot of criticism of, say, the 35 police procedurals that star mostly white men, lay off whatever women might be on the show (Criminal Minds), focus on lurid acts of sexualized violence that often punish women for having a sex life and/or punish their few female characters whenever they get a sex life, and have hugely stereotypical portrayals of blacks and Hispanics as drug dealers and gang bangers. I mean, when CSI pulls some bullshit, I don't see all the blogs having a freakout. It's really, really tiring to see that there are shows that everyone's decided they're going to talk about (for good or ill) and shows that everyone's decided they're going to ignore. Sort of like how everyone has this endless debate about how Taylor Swift represents the End of Women's Rights As We Know It and if you don't like Lady Gaga you obviously are in favor of the invasion of Iraq, but Florence + the Machine can have actually ( ... )

karenhealey October 13 2010, 03:19:05 UTC

I agree that there aren't the vast quantities of criticism that there are of Glee, but I have certainly seen some, especially of Supenatural and Criminal Minds - I *wrote* some of Criminal Minds.

I do find the fandom narratives around What Shows We Will Talk About pretty tiresome, and also I wish they would lay off Taylor, she is very wee. The number of dumb opinions I had when I was 19, I shudder to think, and I *hate* that so much (entirely valid) criticism of common tropes in her songs devolves into hideous girl-bashing.

jlh October 13 2010, 03:34:41 UTC

You're so right about the fandom stuff, though I am more frustrated by the larger media blogger stuff. At this point I'm used to how fandom can be narrow, but I don't see why The Awl and Gawker and the AV Club and half the critics on my tumblr all talk about the same shows-mostly, whatever is on the Emmy list and is deemed "good" (Mad Men) plus whatever is ridiculously dramatic in a specifically kitchy way (Real Housewives, The Hills, Jersey Shore). But the middle of the road TV that's actually popular is shunned. The only places I see talk about those kinds of shows are ew.com and the NPR Monkey See blog, which is why I ♥ them.

I mean, in a way this is all Gawker-led hipster bullshit, but I wish that didn't have such an impact on what people think they should be watching, both as "good TV" and as "guilty pleasure."

As for Taylor, man, that whole "why little monsters hate taylor swift" article was so horrible, so full of bullshit thinking and connections that aren't there, where Lady Gaga and Adam Lambert = all things awesome and ( ... )