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comrade_cat June 10 2012, 01:52:58 UTC
I had a great time reading it. And I loved the codas at the end too, the one about [spoiler deleted] made me cry.

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jimhines June 10 2012, 01:58:05 UTC
The third person one?

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comrade_cat June 10 2012, 10:00:33 UTC
I had to go back and check (I read the ARC a while ago), but yes. I also liked the playing around with the 3rd person/2nd person/etc too, which I guess plays into the whole meta/4th wall thing.

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shadesong June 10 2012, 02:25:14 UTC
As a matter of personal taste, this wasn’t the direction I wanted the book to go. I wanted an in-universe approach and explanation to the redshirt phenomenon.

Read Expendable by James Alan Gardner, if you haven't already!

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jimhines June 10 2012, 02:27:35 UTC
I hadn't heard of that one. It looks like a more serious/darker take on the general idea?

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shadesong June 10 2012, 02:29:21 UTC
Yep. :) It's excellent. (I liked Redshirts very much too, but I have a thing for metafiction!)

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ckd June 10 2012, 02:48:32 UTC
Very much so, and all in-universe...and the sequels get even better, going well beyond the initial premise.

I highly recommend it.

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comrade_cat June 10 2012, 09:59:17 UTC
I definitely recommend Expendable too!

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mrissa June 10 2012, 11:17:39 UTC
My own review is on my lj, but I'm sort of with you. I didn't start writing my own version, but otherwise, yep. I also found it more crack-a-smile amusing than laugh-out-loud funny. And since I don't know Michigan fandom, the specifics of the in-joke references to Michigan fandom were lost on me.

I have gotten frustrated in general with Tuckerizations and in-joke references lately: as I know more people in the genre and am able to spot more of them, I find them more frustrating rather than fewer. When I know who they're talking about, I am thrown out of the story more. When I don't, I can often still spot them making an indigestible lump in the book. After reading three books in a row this spring with really overt Tuckerizations and in-jokes, I became more resolved to avoid them.

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jimhines June 10 2012, 14:36:56 UTC
::Note to self - don't send Mris a copy of my next book::

The ones that bug me are the really overt ones, like you say. If they blend into the story well enough that you don't notice unless you're part of the joke, I think they work sell. (And I think the line about Jer fit pretty well into the story.) At the same time, they can definitely jar you out of the world of the story, especially if they're less than subtle.

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mrissa June 10 2012, 19:45:35 UTC
I have just had the feeling that a lot of authors I otherwise like are more confident in their own subtlety in these matters than they ought to be, so possibly I should be less confident in my own subtlety in these matters also.

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cathshaffer September 22 2012, 13:05:24 UTC
To be fair, it probably doesn't matter to 95 percent of readers. They only stand out to me when I know who is being Tuckerized, or when it presents a story element that otherwise doesn't fit in, like "Jer is a dick." That didn't really make sense within the story.

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harper_knight June 10 2012, 11:28:46 UTC
The way Scalzi managed to make his story break *two different fourth walls* was just excellent. I really enjoyed it.. I got the ebook and read it in less than four hours ( ... )

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jimhines June 11 2012, 00:28:02 UTC
Thank you! I'm so glad you've been enjoying them.

John Scalzi: Wallbuster. I think he'd like that.

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