I'm too drunk to post an opinion that dodged people's sincerely held belief at the moment, but again you go. A small collection of cells that can't survive outside of the parent organism is merely that and at the parent's call to keep or drop. It's just cells. It doesn't have feelings or concerns, and consequently why should it have rights?
The details of arguing fetuses in later trimesters is undoubtably reasonable, but not the case here.
Can I just . . . you can be pro-choice and child-free by choice without slagging on breeders. Meg made the right choice for her, but it's not because it kept America free of another white baby.
And while society may give me a lot of lip service about being a great American for having given birth to a nice white baby boy, money talks and bullshit walks.
I'm gonna say - as a vegetarian - that the vegetarian thing is a red herring that will probably not win over anyone. The way we sustain ourselves is always going to involve the death of animals whether we like it or not. And we evolved to be omnivores. It doesn't do anyone any good to guilt other people about eating the diet we evolved to eat.
The other stuff is dead on, but I think it was flamingophoenix who hit on something even closer to home. Just ask people if they protest fertility clinics, which have collectively discarded literally millions of fertilized eggs since the invention of IVF. That's an exact equivalence, and it's so fun to watch people squirm about that. Because the true answer is, they want women to be punished for having sex. But they can't say it aloud.
Completely agreed! I eat mostly vegetarian, but talking about it on the internet does not win any arguments.
Pro-lifers are not interested in science or medicine, even when they argue on the internet about "what the majority of scientists agree on". They are repeating what they've been told by leaders in their community who reinforce anti-science viewpoints in speeches on a weekly basis.
I think what I find is the irony of how people think, Meg. I had an abortion many years ago, and when I told a male friend about it, who by the way happens to be a Vietnam vet who most likely 'aborted' the lives of innocent people over there and other soldiers in battle, he sort of surprised me by his vehemence against abortion. I thought, if you think abortion is murder, how the hell can you justify being a soldier and murdering others? And he had said something about it being in self-defense. I said " When you dropped a bomb on a village, how is that self-defense??"
Or when people who are pro-death penalty are against abortion, and the basis for abortion is " well it's wrong because it's murder" you should be against 'murder' in all forms.
I don't know the details of your abortion, but I'm with you. Obviously we don't know how we're going to react to something until we get to a point where we have to make a decision, but I fully believe in the right to choose, should it come to that. People who support wars, guns and the death penalty for example (as you mentioned) but claim to be pro-life, probably mean they are pro-birth to be honest. Having a child does not end at giving birth, being pro-life should mean ensuring a quality life for that child, a safe environment for them to grow in, an education all the way through to college/university , access to proper healthcare and support (at the very least). I think for example for me at this minute, I use birth control to avoid getting pregnant, but if I accidentally did, I am in no way prepared to have a child and more importantly, I don't want toOne of the arguments that I just can't stand is the whole "well what if they were to find the cure to cancer/aids/whatever?"; and what about the thousands of people killed because
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I'm too drunk to post an opinion that dodged people's sincerely held belief at the moment, but again you go. A small collection of cells that can't survive outside of the parent organism is merely that and at the parent's call to keep or drop. It's just cells. It doesn't have feelings or concerns, and consequently why should it have rights?
The details of arguing fetuses in later trimesters is undoubtably reasonable, but not the case here.
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And while society may give me a lot of lip service about being a great American for having given birth to a nice white baby boy, money talks and bullshit walks.
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The other stuff is dead on, but I think it was flamingophoenix who hit on something even closer to home. Just ask people if they protest fertility clinics, which have collectively discarded literally millions of fertilized eggs since the invention of IVF. That's an exact equivalence, and it's so fun to watch people squirm about that. Because the true answer is, they want women to be punished for having sex. But they can't say it aloud.
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Pro-lifers are not interested in science or medicine, even when they argue on the internet about "what the majority of scientists agree on". They are repeating what they've been told by leaders in their community who reinforce anti-science viewpoints in speeches on a weekly basis.
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Or when people who are pro-death penalty are against abortion, and the basis for abortion is " well it's wrong because it's murder" you should be against 'murder' in all forms.
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