What is Art?

Jul 30, 2009 11:29

(Post inspired by a back episode of the Overthinking It PodcastHow do you define art? Where do you draw the line between art and craft ( Read more... )

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seawasp July 30 2009, 16:02:08 UTC
I'm not sure I have a definition for art; I'm not sure what it is. I think I'd retreat to my childhood definition, which is paintings and sculptures in a museum.

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jennythe_reader July 30 2009, 16:44:08 UTC
So movies and music can't be art?

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seawasp July 30 2009, 18:33:23 UTC
As I said, I don't have a definition for "art" in the sense you're using it; I don't really know what it MEANS. Thus the reversion to childhood definitions.

I think movies and music can do more than paintings and sculptures, personally, because neither of those generally do too much for me at all. But whether that's "art" versus "craft"? Way out of my intellectual ballpark. I write stuff, but I don't think it's "art", nor would I call it "craft"...

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jennythe_reader July 30 2009, 19:02:07 UTC
That's more or less what I meant, but much more detailed and coherent. :)

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seawasp July 30 2009, 19:27:55 UTC
The problem with this metaphor (for me) is that it isn't anything like writing in my experience.

Writing is... well, it happens. I sit down, I think a bit, and words come out. Sometimes I fiddle with the words a little to make sure they come out exactly the way I want them to. But there's no "craft" in it that I can see, sense, or describe.

"Crafts" like carpentry, painting, beading, whatever, they take work and skill that would require years of hard, very unpleasant effort for me to master. And even if I became a master of it, I'd remember how it was to be a beginner without the first clue as to what was involved in doing this job.

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seawasp July 30 2009, 18:34:04 UTC
How about "craftsthing"? :)

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jennythe_reader July 30 2009, 19:06:17 UTC
I'm not sure that's much better...

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seawasp July 30 2009, 19:13:28 UTC
But it includes Cthulhoid carpenters as much as human workpeople!

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stefka July 30 2009, 19:22:22 UTC
I've always been fond of using "being," as in, craftsbeing, chairbeing, anchorbeing ...

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curlyeric July 30 2009, 20:20:30 UTC
Art is. It doesn't have to be read, enjoyed, or criticized. It could be an accident. In common practice two or many more people have to agree that it's art.

Craft on the other hand I have always seen as "skilled" or good at working with a set of tools.

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inaurolillium July 30 2009, 21:02:45 UTC
May I suggest "artisan" as a gender-neutral option instead of "craftsman"? Plus, I just like the word.

I'm personally pretty insistent that I am not an artist, I am an artisan.

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jennythe_reader July 30 2009, 21:53:31 UTC
Artisan works. The connotations are a little bit more specific* that I was going for, but it's close enough.

*To my mind an artisan is someone who creates tangible things (like a wonderful dinner), as opposed to a craftswoman (or craftsman) who is someone who practices a craft which can result in either tangible or intangible things.

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