Oh there is so much win in this post! I love your thinky thoughts on Madeline.
An older sister is usually charged with looking after the younger one, to some extent, and that could have put emphasis on the feeling that she was responsible for, or had been blamed for, Sarah dying. Even if parents don't intend it, older siblings usually feel as though they're responsible for watching out for the younger siblings, and so when something bad happens, they're more apt to be blamed-or at least feel blamed,
I always tended to go with the fandom that Madeline was the older sister, but I hadn't really thought of Sarah being the one failure of Madeline's life. I always associated guilt and loss of control with Madeline and Sarah but never failure and I probably should have.
I don't tend to see Madeline as an angry child; I guess, I have always seen her as like a bored child prodigy and that day with the stairs taught her an extremely important lesson in control.
Madeline without a purpose, without goals of any sort, without a reason to do
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I don't tend to see Madeline as an angry child; I guess, I have always seen her as like a bored child prodigy and that day with the stairs taught her an extremely important lesson in control.
I never really saw her as being an angry child either, which I think is why seeing that line in the script caught me off guard and made me think so much. I'd never seen her that way, and the idea that maybe she had been (I say as though she were a real person) was kind of intriguing. I still see her as the bored child prodigy because I can't really picture her as being the person she is in canon without starting out not only as the 'smart kid', but the sort of kid who's smarter than her parents by age eight. Lol
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Madeleine meta! I'm reading this on my phone, so I can't reply properly now, but I will come back to this tomorrow. I do think you've hit on some real insights, though.
I toy with a lot of different scenarios, but in all of them, she's angry. Sometimes vengeful, sometimes disillusioned, sometimes depressed, but always angry in some form or another. I suppose having "her" Section taken away from her would be, for her, the equivalent of what being recruited was to most of the other characters.Now I'm totally hoping for the fic you were contemplating writing. Lol. And I think you're right--post season five, if Madeline is alive and out there somewhere, I have a hard time picturing her as being anything but angry. Well, angry and depressed, in a way. Especially if she either can't figure out a way to take Section back, or has lost the inclination to do so. If ever my Some Things You Lose muse comes back, we'll eventually get around to original!Madeline, and the idea of her finding herself entirely at a loss as to what to do without Section in her life was actually what prompted the idea for the story in the first place, so... seriously, my muse needs to get her act together so I can write. *shirks all
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This is all really interesting! And yeah, you and I (and user clueless_02) missed all the initial meta, but I think there are enough of us to start our own little meta parties. LOL
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I would go farther and say it wasn't even a haven; it was a calling. Madeline has a lot more in common with religious fundamentalist group members than it might be supposed for someone who fights them.
She really does, doesn't she? It's that zealotry-thing she's got going that makes her so intriguing to me, in a way. For someone who seems to have faith in no one beyond their ability to disappoint her (with the possible exception of Paul), she does seem perfectly willing to devote herself almost blindly to Section, her own personal cost be damned, which is... kind of terrifying. Lol. Or at least, it would be for those who opposed Section and had the misfortune to end up being dealt with by her personally.
Ooh, I missed this post! I love thinking about Madeline. :-)
And I love thinking about child!Madeline! Or any version of a younger Madeline because well, it's wide open to interpretation how she was and who she was before Section.
Was Madeline an angry child? That cut dialogue is very intriguing. When I think about Madeline as a child, I have many personal canons for her. And I usually go with the things she did say to her mother on the show. I perceive Madeline one not really given to letting go with her emotions. If she is angry it's a quietly controlled thing and I kind of like the idea that maybe she was like that as a child as well. That she was hard to read and well, could have been labeled as anything. I go with her words, "I wanted the doll." That tells me a lot. Whether she was angry in general, or just in that moment, or not angry at all, she did let her desire for the doll overwhelm her. Not a terrible thing as a child but something she didn't seem to forgive herself for.
And yet, I do wonder if never having lived
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The episode with Leon, even though I didn't like it, filled in some pieces for me with Madeline. I remember him saying how intelligent she was and that most of the world couldn't keep up with he. How frustrating that must be. And isolating. Add that with the canon fact that she felt responsible for her sister's death, where does that young girl fit in?
See, I kind of liked the Leon episode, but for the reason you mentioned--it gave some insight into who Madeline is, on some level. That, and I have my own personal fanon interpretation of the episode that makes it more palatable. Lol. *lives in the world of daydreams*
It's an interesting question though about whether she 'belongs' in Section. Does one inherently belong there and that's the place where she would reach her full potential? Or does anyone there just believe that if they are there for long enough and from long enough?
I can see her thinking she belonged there, especially as a guilt-ridden teenager who quite possibly felt as though she had never quite belonged anywhere
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Oh, she's from Damages? Awesome; that's in my Netflix queue! It's probably going to take me another two years to get through my queue, but it's in there!
I think Madeline was an ordinary kid. I know that ordinary Madeline sounds strange^^ I think that after Sarah's death, nobody helped her,assured her that it was an accident. Maybe they even blamed her. Believe me, it doesn't take time to destroy a child,but it takes years to deal with it. Do you remember episode " He come from four" There was one important line: "Emotions are what get children into trouble". I always think that she was referring to herself then. And "End game" "Adrian: And she also allowed you to achieve your life's ambition. Madeline: And what would that be? Adrian: To kill mommy of course. " so angry teenager?
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An older sister is usually charged with looking after the younger one, to some extent, and that could have put emphasis on the feeling that she was responsible for, or had been blamed for, Sarah dying. Even if parents don't intend it, older siblings usually feel as though they're responsible for watching out for the younger siblings, and so when something bad happens, they're more apt to be blamed-or at least feel blamed,
I always tended to go with the fandom that Madeline was the older sister, but I hadn't really thought of Sarah being the one failure of Madeline's life. I always associated guilt and loss of control with Madeline and Sarah but never failure and I probably should have.
I don't tend to see Madeline as an angry child; I guess, I have always seen her as like a bored child prodigy and that day with the stairs taught her an extremely important lesson in control.
Madeline without a purpose, without goals of any sort, without a reason to do ( ... )
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I never really saw her as being an angry child either, which I think is why seeing that line in the script caught me off guard and made me think so much. I'd never seen her that way, and the idea that maybe she had been (I say as though she were a real person) was kind of intriguing. I still see her as the bored child prodigy because I can't really picture her as being the person she is in canon without starting out not only as the 'smart kid', but the sort of kid who's smarter than her parents by age eight. Lol ( ... )
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She really does, doesn't she? It's that zealotry-thing she's got going that makes her so intriguing to me, in a way. For someone who seems to have faith in no one beyond their ability to disappoint her (with the possible exception of Paul), she does seem perfectly willing to devote herself almost blindly to Section, her own personal cost be damned, which is... kind of terrifying. Lol. Or at least, it would be for those who opposed Section and had the misfortune to end up being dealt with by her personally.
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And I love thinking about child!Madeline! Or any version of a younger Madeline because well, it's wide open to interpretation how she was and who she was before Section.
Was Madeline an angry child? That cut dialogue is very intriguing. When I think about Madeline as a child, I have many personal canons for her. And I usually go with the things she did say to her mother on the show. I perceive Madeline one not really given to letting go with her emotions. If she is angry it's a quietly controlled thing and I kind of like the idea that maybe she was like that as a child as well. That she was hard to read and well, could have been labeled as anything. I go with her words, "I wanted the doll." That tells me a lot. Whether she was angry in general, or just in that moment, or not angry at all, she did let her desire for the doll overwhelm her. Not a terrible thing as a child but something she didn't seem to forgive herself for.
And yet, I do wonder if never having lived ( ... )
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See, I kind of liked the Leon episode, but for the reason you mentioned--it gave some insight into who Madeline is, on some level. That, and I have my own personal fanon interpretation of the episode that makes it more palatable. Lol. *lives in the world of daydreams*
It's an interesting question though about whether she 'belongs' in Section. Does one inherently belong there and that's the place where she would reach her full potential? Or does anyone there just believe that if they are there for long enough and from long enough?
I can see her thinking she belonged there, especially as a guilt-ridden teenager who quite possibly felt as though she had never quite belonged anywhere ( ... )
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Hmm...
*bumps Damages up a bit on the list*
*is impatient*
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Do you remember episode " He come from four" There was one important line: "Emotions are what get children into trouble". I always think that she was referring to herself then.
And "End game"
"Adrian: And she also allowed you to achieve your life's ambition.
Madeline: And what would that be?
Adrian: To kill mommy of course. "
so angry teenager?
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