Apologies

[orange_coat]

It seems like my last post offended more than a few INTJ's, and then the comments in the post became a discussion about ethics/values/love/the-meaning-of-life/etc.

I'm going to try to be more clear. I wasn't necessarily interested in those ideas per se, but I was interested in the T function... how it operates compared to the F function (I'm an F

Comments

[animate_alcazar]

Hi. I've only recently joined, so haven't had time to be offended by anything yet. I'd be glad to help.

Thinking about my T/F function: I am INTJ, though that doesn't mean I don't have feelings. XD I have a great many strong feelings, but when it comes to decision-making I realize that emotions are volatile and irrational. So I put them aside and focus on the objective truth - something that works wherever I apply it, not just in my emotional situation. As such I find it hard to hold grudges (which could be considered a positive side effect). I like to think about everything that could possibly happen/all facets of a decision, so I am very indecisive when it comes to making choices between alternatives (what to eat for lunch, which movie to see, etc.). I don't use my emotional 'wants' to choose, which sounds like it would make things much easier

[orange_coat]

That was really great, thank you.

[rj_anderson]

Yes, exactly -- we have feelings and sometimes they can be very powerful, but we don't trust them when it comes to decision-making.

[suitablyemoname]

Not to be rude, but you do realize you're asking INTJs to not only jump and dance for your amusement and edification, but you're asking they explain themselves in the process, yes?

[playing_tragic]

Random, noncontributory aside: Not to be rude, but ... Possibly one of the top 5 verbal/written cues one is dealing with an INTJ. ::smirk:: A "friendly" warning shot across the other person's bow.

[seakittym]

We do that, don't we? I tend to preface things not quite exactly the same way but with things like "This isn't my business but..." or "It could be because I've had a bad day but..."

[rawgirl75]

But I've always thought that we INTJs like it when others seek to understand us and ask us about ourselves in a logical and systematic way.

[playing_tragic]

The problem with attempts to explain how intuitive thinkers think is there are no set steps or process. Trying to predict the leaps and odd connections intuitive thinkers make is rather like trying to predict where lightening is going to strike next. Now, I can "reverse engineer" many answers, conclusions, and insights after the fact, but it's something I'm not consciously aware of while doing it.

You question reminds me of the time I asked my very gregarious, outgoing extroverted brother, "How do you do that?" (Meaning make immediate personal connections with total strangers seemingly effortlessly and without strain.) He just smiled, shrugged, then said, "I dunno, it's just how I am."

[novanglus]

There may be less an F-T collision here as an FJ-TJ collision. I've found that FJs and TJs often have a particularly hard time getting along.

In pursuing your quest for T-knowledge, you might have luck asking INTP folks who aren't as J.

[orange_coat]

That's a good point, actually..

[eryndil]

You could try the jmbt_intp community, although you may find that no-one gets around to replying! ;D

[flyingmintbunny]

You're pissing me off with these posts, couldn't you have just edited the first instead of posting twice in less than a day?

[orange_coat]

I won't post too much anymore, I promise.

I decided to make another post, because people kept responding to the previous one with "I'm offended" or "this p*sses me off" and I was repeatedly having to explain. I also didn't want to delete the interesting points made in the previous post, even though they were going in a different direction than I was looking for..

[rj_anderson]

Never mind the grumpy pants. I think it's an interesting discussion. :)

[novanglus]

Yes, some of the people here are just being outright rude. Rudeness is distributed in the INTJ population just like any other. Some INTJs know how to be courteous, others don't, just like in any group. (There are probably a reasonable number of teenage INTJ aspies here also, and they can be especially egotistical and ignorant of their own rudeness.)

Dr. N (INTJ and slightly aspie)