Hopefully you will eventually! LOL! I'm 12,000 words into it and having serious issues because I don't want to scare people away with what's about to happen, which is why I put up the poll.
Thank you so much for answering my poll and giving me this additional information. I don't have a problem with rape/non-con so I don't really understand what it is about it that makes people not want to read it. I mean, I would never just write some piece of crap that glorified it and was nothing but brutality, where someone is violated, the end. But characters have things happen to them that are problematic, unpleasant, upsetting, because without a conflict there can be no resolution and your plot is a bit thin with nothing but sunshine and roses, know what I mean? So if it was handled well but a character happened to, say, get beaten up and raped in a hate crime and there was this emotional struggle for recovery and there was depth to this situation -- as opposed to just gratuitous violence glorifying the actions -- would that be a fic you'd rule out? I know some people just like fics where someone gets hurt and I've never understood the whole idea of getting off on someone being harmed. It doesn't compute to me. It wouldn't
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" I would never just write some piece of crap that glorified it and was nothing but brutality, where someone is violated, the end."
that's my only problem with some rapefics, where it's just there to be hot or arousing, where it glorifies rape. Bad things happen in life, so I totally agree with you, when it's in the plot it's part of the story.
Yeah, I read something by someone whose whole fic was about "let's beat Orlando to a bloody pulp, torture him sexually, the end." I was stunned. I just hadn't even considered someone would write that kind of crap! And what pissed me off all the more was that it was summed up as a BDSM fic. HELLO? Kink is NOT the same as torture. Both partners in a BDSM relationship are getting something out of it. It was VERY clear Orlando's character was there against his will and getting nothing out of it but misery, and the person causing it was gloating over that fact. I want to kick people like this in the teeth, because they make kink even LESS acceptable, since uninformed people read this and think they know what S/M is or how it's supposed to be, and they couldn't be further from the truth. I don't like having people form inaccurate judgments about me and what I must like based on dickweeds who write crap like that. ::grumbles::
I usually choose stories (or at least make the first cut) based on characters, not pairings per se. If it's two characters I like, I might read it, depending on other things. If it's two characters I don't, I probably won't unless the story's been fantabulously recced by several people whose opinions I treasure like gold. If it's one character I like and one I don't, that's really iffy but I'm kinda-sorta willing to be convinced if I have a lot of spare time anyway. [duck]
Hmmmm, I hadn't considered that. Most fics don't list a whole cast of characters, just pairings. The first two chapters of my fic have no sex at all but then the pairings hit and switch as the new characters are introduced. I'm still having difficulty with who/where/how to word headers. Dragonmad suggested I do an "invisible" warning and pairing at the top like Amanda does. That could certainly be an option, so that those who want warnings and pairings will have them and those who want the surprise will have that too. I still don't know about cast of characters, though. Thanks for the comment, it's helping me think this out. :)
I didn't mean the whole cast, though, but rather the main characters, which usually means the pairing or threesome or whomever. I'm not nearly as picky about supporting characters -- you can fill your secondary roles with Hobbit guys, even, if you want ;) -- but it's the main characters that sway me one way or the other. I do look at the pairing line in a fic header, but I'm looking for guys I like. I don't need a whole cast list.
If you do end up blanking out both the pairing and the warnings, you might make sure they're clearly separate -- maybe with one or more other lines between them -- so someone who wants to see just the pairing doesn't accidentally hilight the warnings too or vice-versa.
Interesting poll! I just wanted to add that the whole rape/non-con/abuse issue really depends on the fic. As you yourself wrote in a reply to idlesloth, So if it was handled well but a character happened to, say, get beaten up and raped in a hate crime and there was this emotional struggle for recovery and there was depth to this situationExactly! If it serves the plot in some way no problem. But you already know, and share, my deep unhappiness with fics where people are just damn mean to the pretties for now good reason and there's no comfort and no resolution. Just abuse is not fun to read
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Making sense! :) I probably should have included more questions about the non-con. I really didn't think it would be something so many people avoided. =/ I suppose some may have personal reasons but others have probably read the stupid, senseless "rape the elf and let him bleed, haha the end" sort of stories that turn us off, and now they think of that when they hear rape/non-con. Argh. May revise.
Maybe you should have had a category (Orlando and anybody) *giggle* Cause I've read some rather strange pairings just because Orlando was one of the pair. (Of course I've been massively disappointed too, but I don't think that'd happen with your fic).
As far as warnings go... only major character death (that means Orlando and whomever his partner is cannot be made dead, thank you!)having said that... I just wrote a very short fic that kills Viggo... but it does have a sort of happy ending too! and threesome/moresome. I'll probably still read the threesome/moresome story, but will skip over the sex scenes.
I'm very fine with elf/teh pretty abuse... as long as it's an integral part of the story and there's lots of comfort to go along with it. The stories that hurt and just leave are not nice.
I look forward to whatever you write, Sinny... unless you're gonna kill teh pretty, then I shall have to spank you! *grin*
Well, I do tend to do that, actually. =/ I have a habit of hurting and killing major characters, but not just gratuitously; it's always for a plot point and things work out anyway. I don't like raw fics that leave me heartbroken with no satisfactory resolution. Would you absolutely skip the fic if I told you that at least one major character gets hurt and/or dies?
What if, for example, I have a fic that involved, say, Orlando dying and Beanie going after his killer while Orlando spoke to him from the grave and helped him, and the death was necessary for the plot to advance, but Orlando's spirit can rest and he winds up happy later? Or something of that sort? Do you see what I mean, about how sometimes character death is part of the plot and it's not like OMG SHOCKER HEARTBREAK POINTLESS ANGST, but it's like, part of the whole reason there's a story?
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Thanks for answering it for me! :D
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I don't think you'll have a problem with people being scared away. As long as you warn them, should be good. ^_^
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Argh.
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that's my only problem with some rapefics, where it's just there to be hot or arousing, where it glorifies rape. Bad things happen in life, so I totally agree with you, when it's in the plot it's part of the story.
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If you do end up blanking out both the pairing and the warnings, you might make sure they're clearly separate -- maybe with one or more other lines between them -- so someone who wants to see just the pairing doesn't accidentally hilight the warnings too or vice-versa.
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Interesting poll! I just wanted to add that the whole rape/non-con/abuse issue really depends on the fic. As you yourself wrote in a reply to idlesloth, So if it was handled well but a character happened to, say, get beaten up and raped in a hate crime and there was this emotional struggle for recovery and there was depth to this situationExactly! If it serves the plot in some way no problem. But you already know, and share, my deep unhappiness with fics where people are just damn mean to the pretties for now good reason and there's no comfort and no resolution. Just abuse is not fun to read ( ... )
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As far as warnings go... only major character death (that means Orlando and whomever his partner is cannot be made dead, thank you!)having said that... I just wrote a very short fic that kills Viggo... but it does have a sort of happy ending too! and threesome/moresome. I'll probably still read the threesome/moresome story, but will skip over the sex scenes.
I'm very fine with elf/teh pretty abuse... as long as it's an integral part of the story and there's lots of comfort to go along with it. The stories that hurt and just leave are not nice.
I look forward to whatever you write, Sinny... unless you're gonna kill teh pretty, then I shall have to spank you! *grin*
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What if, for example, I have a fic that involved, say, Orlando dying and Beanie going after his killer while Orlando spoke to him from the grave and helped him, and the death was necessary for the plot to advance, but Orlando's spirit can rest and he winds up happy later? Or something of that sort? Do you see what I mean, about how sometimes character death is part of the plot and it's not like OMG SHOCKER HEARTBREAK POINTLESS ANGST, but it's like, part of the whole reason there's a story?
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