I actually kind of loved this episode, it felt like an old one fromr Season 2 or 3. I liked Franck, and Chrissy (although i was waiting for her Dad to punch Dean in the face for bringing her on a hunt...)
I loved that they brought some classic rock back, even if only two songs :).
I think Bobby's doing the empty beer/ sleeping on a chair for 36 hours thing, as a ghost. Would make sense I guess ? We don't know that he's moved on...
I'm a bit frustrated that they only HINTED that the venom wasn't affecting Sam... or was I dreaming it ? Because i always assumed Sam was immune to all sorts of demonic venoms/poisons, except he got roofied by a Siren so i tossed the idea out of the window, and now they give us Sam not being affected by the Vela-something venom ?
Also, the last scene creeped the fuck out of me. It felt like watching Christina Ricci as Wednesday trying to smile in Adams Family Values and creeping everybody out. That's what it felt like to me.
Yeah, like I said, as a stand alone episode, I think it was good, I just wish it came after an episode of epic mourning for Bobby's passing.
I'm assuming Chrissy explained that she forced Dean to bring her, and that he cuffed her to the car.
And I know most people are with you about it being Bobby behind the missing beer thing, but I just can't wrap my head around a)Bobby being a ghost or b)the logistics involved in a ghost making beer disappear from inside a bottle while it's still in Dean's hand. I don't think we've ever seen a regular old ghost make things vanish before.... correct me if I'm wrong though!
And I couldn't agree more with this: I'm still feeling kinda MEH about it, but the last shot may very well make up for all of it. If they had made this one 7x12 instead of 11, I probably would have loved it, but this soon after Bobby's death I felt like it was lacking something. But that last scene...damn...*tears up again*
Yeah, that whole first week should have had its own episode, or even the first day. If this had come after that, it would have been perfect. As it is, I feel like it does an injustice to the epic-ness that was 7.10 to have breezed through those three weeks like that.
I'm gonna disagree with you on that. "Epic mourning for Bobby" belongs in fic. I really don't think I would have wanted to see an entire episode of it, not after we've mourned for John, and Dean, and Sam, and Ellen and Jo... The abbreviated glimpses of those four weeks were plenty for me.
I also don't believe it's Cas doing the funny business. I think it's Bobby, because Show made such a point of the Reaper asking him if he wanted to move on or not. He wouldn't leave his boys alone against the Levis if he had a choice. I'm thinking we'll see Misha come back as Big Boss Leviathan wearing Castiel's clothes - the BBL may have faked an explosion and sent the coat drifting back to throw the boys off the track. Or something. :)
I feel like the abbreviated glimpses actually made it worse. It seemed cheap and montage-y to me, and I HATE montages. And how do you summarize grief? Why even try? I preferred the way they did it with 2.02, when they just made the leap forward in time without silly timecards telling us how much time has passed and let us figure it out by letting us know through dialogue or whatever
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Ellen's still around, though - we've been shown that. So I have no problem with Bobby signing on, although if the boys salted and burned his body as per custom...
Then again, Ellen was basically cremated. So I have no clue.
I felt that 7.10 was enough of a goodbye to Bobby that I didn't need to see huge buckets of grieving in this ep. I think it's a subject that's going to be present for quite a while, in varying degrees, and I'm good with that.
NOTHING will ever live up to "The Body," and I think it'd be foolish of any set of writers to even try.
Funny, I didn't get the impression that Ellen was contacting Dean through the museum guide as a ghost, but actually from heaven, which would explain why she had to wait for him to be in that town, and around people with a certain ability to channel communications from the great beyond. If Ellen was a plain old ghost, surely she could have found a way to communicate with Dean sooner? That's my take, anyways.
I really like this Cas time-bubble idea! Especially given what the preview for next week is. Much better than the alternate theory of Bobby's ghost, just because, augh.
That last scene. ;_______; I'm extremely fond of Dean's conversations with Frank, as well. I actually don't mind the random staring; I don't think it was necessarily the best way they could have portrayed eternal staring, but as a concept I'm not unopposed. I think after a certain point and a certain number of horrible events, there's only so much poignancy you can manage for your own life; I won't argue that this 100% absolutely had to be that point, or is that point, for the Winchesters, but I think it's in-line with what Show was going for this episode
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Yeah, the idea of Bobby as a ghost does not appeal to me in the slightest. When has being a ghost ever been a good thing? And how could Bobby not know this? He'd never decide to become one, unless that bullet to the head made him a massive idiot. Which, I guess isn't totally impossible...?
Dean's conversation with Frank was really interesting and kinda scary. I just keep thinking of the Joker saying let's put a smile on that face. AND IT IS BAD NEWS. BAD NEWS. Yeah, Dean is now taking advice from paranoid schizophrenics. That can't end well.
I don't buy that Dean spaced and drank the beer without noticing - they made a very clear point of getting a shot of the completely full beer on-camera. And then when it vanished, there was a giant whooshy noise to accompany it. I jumped straight to Cas because whooshy noises are Cas's department. :)
SO agree about the final scene. Totally heartbreaking and perfectly executed. GUH. One day, someone somewhere will realize that Jensen needs Emmys. Lots of Emmys.
Where are you hearing a whooshy noise? I played that scene back four times, and the only sound I can hear is a slight rattle of the papers in Dean's hand.
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I loved that they brought some classic rock back, even if only two songs :).
I think Bobby's doing the empty beer/ sleeping on a chair for 36 hours thing, as a ghost. Would make sense I guess ? We don't know that he's moved on...
I'm a bit frustrated that they only HINTED that the venom wasn't affecting Sam... or was I dreaming it ? Because i always assumed Sam was immune to all sorts of demonic venoms/poisons, except he got roofied by a Siren so i tossed the idea out of the window, and now they give us Sam not being affected by the Vela-something venom ?
Also, the last scene creeped the fuck out of me. It felt like watching Christina Ricci as Wednesday trying to smile in Adams Family Values and creeping everybody out. That's what it felt like to me.
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I'm assuming Chrissy explained that she forced Dean to bring her, and that he cuffed her to the car.
And I know most people are with you about it being Bobby behind the missing beer thing, but I just can't wrap my head around a)Bobby being a ghost or b)the logistics involved in a ghost making beer disappear from inside a bottle while it's still in Dean's hand. I don't think we've ever seen a regular old ghost make things vanish before.... correct me if I'm wrong though!
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Well, Dean is CLEARLY totally mentally unhinged at this point, so that's a very understandable reaction!
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Sam was affected by the venom, that is why he passed out every time he got bitten. That's what it does, knock the guys out.
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And I couldn't agree more with this: I'm still feeling kinda MEH about it, but the last shot may very well make up for all of it.
If they had made this one 7x12 instead of 11, I probably would have loved it, but this soon after Bobby's death I felt like it was lacking something. But that last scene...damn...*tears up again*
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I also don't believe it's Cas doing the funny business. I think it's Bobby, because Show made such a point of the Reaper asking him if he wanted to move on or not. He wouldn't leave his boys alone against the Levis if he had a choice. I'm thinking we'll see Misha come back as Big Boss Leviathan wearing Castiel's clothes - the BBL may have faked an explosion and sent the coat drifting back to throw the boys off the track. Or something. :)
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Then again, Ellen was basically cremated. So I have no clue.
I felt that 7.10 was enough of a goodbye to Bobby that I didn't need to see huge buckets of grieving in this ep. I think it's a subject that's going to be present for quite a while, in varying degrees, and I'm good with that.
NOTHING will ever live up to "The Body," and I think it'd be foolish of any set of writers to even try.
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That last scene. ;_______; I'm extremely fond of Dean's conversations with Frank, as well. I actually don't mind the random staring; I don't think it was necessarily the best way they could have portrayed eternal staring, but as a concept I'm not unopposed. I think after a certain point and a certain number of horrible events, there's only so much poignancy you can manage for your own life; I won't argue that this 100% absolutely had to be that point, or is that point, for the Winchesters, but I think it's in-line with what Show was going for this episode ( ... )
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Dean's conversation with Frank was really interesting and kinda scary. I just keep thinking of the Joker saying let's put a smile on that face. AND IT IS BAD NEWS. BAD NEWS. Yeah, Dean is now taking advice from paranoid schizophrenics. That can't end well.
Mmm.... nom....pen.....
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SO agree about the final scene. Totally heartbreaking and perfectly executed. GUH. One day, someone somewhere will realize that Jensen needs Emmys. Lots of Emmys.
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And yes. ALL THE EMMYS FOR JENSEN. One day, many years from now, I hope he is a huge movie star and finally gets his propers.
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I think Bobby's haunting your house, dude. :)
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