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cornered_buddah November 9 2008, 11:00:12 UTC
How does self-victimization keep society functioning at its status-quo? It seems far more likely that it'd lead to social conflict and an unhappiness with the system we were born from.

In my opinion, consumerism, the belief that all is attainable as a commodity and that happiness is derived from these commodities, is a better candidate.

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i_am_pellucid November 9 2008, 16:09:28 UTC
Democracy is built on a foundation of self-victimization. What kind of groups lobby? Blacks, women, unions...all groups that claim to be victimized and to need restitution.

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cornered_buddah November 9 2008, 17:24:26 UTC
Big business (the largest lobby groups are here), religious groups, fringe political groups, lawyers, doctors, teachers, stock holders, bankers, environmentalists, farmers, children's rights activists, poverty activists, etc. The groups that lobby are as diverse as the causes that make people coalesce around them.

These lobby groups are group-goal driven rather than self driven. They are aimed at achieving specific policy changes and have overarching agendas that these policies fall under.

The classic civil-rights movements that have been generated by these haven't been about victimization per se. They were more about extending rights to groups that had been excluded from these rights before.

Democracy in the US isn't quite built by lobby groups as it is in a more corporate model, such as in Germany. Lobby groups are more loosely aligned in the US and function more in a grass-roots style civil society.

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i_am_pellucid November 9 2008, 20:20:22 UTC
Big business lobbies on the grounds that they're taxed too high; victims of redistribution of wealth. Religious groups regularly claim they're being censored in the public square. The fact is that EVERY group you listed victimizes themselves to push their agenda.

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