Heh. Like many of your other commenters, I found some of the questions difficult to answer, as they didn't quite fit what I REALLY thought. There were definitely a few that made me think "I don't really like either!" or "That's too complicated an issue to solve with one of these easy-peasy solutions." That said, I'm a bit surprised that I came out so strongly Obama. I actually thought more of the answers I gave were leaning toward the conservative side than apparently were (if that makes any sense).
I did feel at times that I could tell which answer was supposed to go with which candidate, and I found it hard not to choose the more liberal/Democrat one just to be ornery. ;) I guess the main thing here is that I'm more of a socialist, which tends to be more of a Democratic thing. I'll be curious to hear your hypothesis. I hope you'll share it at some point. :)
I have trouble that article, not because it's critical of liberals, but because it seems to assume that everyone with a liberal mindset must not be a working or middle class American who values hard work or flag waving pride. "Metropolitan." It dismisses all of the liberals who've been homeless, poor, working, or middle class and have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps
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I believe the article is actually from a British publication, so it and/or the author may be subject to a different perspective and a different set of biases than what you would expect from American writers and publications. I looked at Clive Crook's archives and found plenty of columns critical of both sides.
It dismisses all of the liberals who've been homeless, poor, working, or middle class and have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
I can see what you are saying, but that's not how I took it. I perceived it as addressing a particular class of liberals, which happens to currently be the most vocal--or at least, they are the ones who more often get to hold the microphone, both in the MSM and in the blogosphere.
As for conservative media realizing that it's conservative, I don't think that's quite accurate either. I don't believe the media is addressing its biases adequately on either side.Yes, I agree. FoxNews's claim to be "fair and balanced" is beyond laughable. But I think conservative talk radio is quite
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Ah, I see! That would make more sense. Thanks!
I perceived it as addressing a particular class of liberals, which happens to currently be the most vocal-
That may have been the intent, but for me it came across as playing into the stereotype that most liberal supporters are elitist sophisticates out of touch with reality. I don't often get that impression when I stumble through the blogosphere, but considering how LARGE the blogosphere is, it may just be where I wander!
That's probably why Crook gives the conservative side a pass on this.
Possibly!
-I felt there were lines in it that suggested he wasn't fully sympathetic to them. The only thing I noted was his line that Obama himself is not elitist, which doesn't particularly widen the lens on which this article focuses. It's not so much that I feel he's clearly aligned with conservatives as I feel the article's point is lacking. That he focused on liberals to the exclusion of conservatives on behavior both parties
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I suspect what's happening in the poll a bit, though, is that it is creating false dichotomies and it assigns the results one way or the other (after we've forced ourselves to choose). Knowing that most opinions are more nuanced than that, it tells most respondents that maybe they could actually go either way or are more undecided than they expected.
Yes, I agree with that. I've always felt that I was more of a moderate but I suppose the issues and values that matter most to me are decidedly liberal.
I did it a while ago, and I believe I was 84% Obama, 16% McCain.
Thanks for sharing the article. I'm not sure how much I agree with it, but then I'm from somewhere where the proportion of conservative media is higher.
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Your Issue Profile: 72% Obama, 28% McCain
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I did feel at times that I could tell which answer was supposed to go with which candidate, and I found it hard not to choose the more liberal/Democrat one just to be ornery. ;) I guess the main thing here is that I'm more of a socialist, which tends to be more of a Democratic thing. I'll be curious to hear your hypothesis. I hope you'll share it at some point. :)
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It dismisses all of the liberals who've been homeless, poor, working, or middle class and have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
I can see what you are saying, but that's not how I took it. I perceived it as addressing a particular class of liberals, which happens to currently be the most vocal--or at least, they are the ones who more often get to hold the microphone, both in the MSM and in the blogosphere.
As for conservative media realizing that it's conservative, I don't think that's quite accurate either. I don't believe the media is addressing its biases adequately on either side.Yes, I agree. FoxNews's claim to be "fair and balanced" is beyond laughable. But I think conservative talk radio is quite ( ... )
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Ah, I see! That would make more sense. Thanks!
I perceived it as addressing a particular class of liberals, which happens to currently be the most vocal-
That may have been the intent, but for me it came across as playing into the stereotype that most liberal supporters are elitist sophisticates out of touch with reality. I don't often get that impression when I stumble through the blogosphere, but considering how LARGE the blogosphere is, it may just be where I wander!
That's probably why Crook gives the conservative side a pass on this.
Possibly!
-I felt there were lines in it that suggested he wasn't fully sympathetic to them. The only thing I noted was his line that Obama himself is not elitist, which doesn't particularly widen the lens on which this article focuses. It's not so much that I feel he's clearly aligned with conservatives as I feel the article's point is lacking. That he focused on liberals to the exclusion of conservatives on behavior both parties ( ... )
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Your Issue Profile: 68% Obama, 32% McCain
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Your Issue Profile: 60% Obama, 40% McCain
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I suspect what's happening in the poll a bit, though, is that it is creating false dichotomies and it assigns the results one way or the other (after we've forced ourselves to choose). Knowing that most opinions are more nuanced than that, it tells most respondents that maybe they could actually go either way or are more undecided than they expected.
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Thanks for sharing the article. I'm not sure how much I agree with it, but then I'm from somewhere where the proportion of conservative media is higher.
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