Discussion Question #19: RAB and the locket

Mar 16, 2007 12:37

Who did RAB get the locket from the cave with? (Dumbledore made it clear that two people were needed to get past Voldemort's enchantments.) And where is the locket now?

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rynresa March 16 2007, 18:02:43 UTC
i still believe that RAB is three different people, black, rosier and avery is my guess. the locket, i believe, is in grimauld place.

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focusf1 March 17 2007, 03:21:30 UTC
I think we should be clear that while two people would be physically needed to retrieve the locket, ONLY one magical, of age person is allowed to travel in the boat.

My initial RAB theory is that the switch was made before the locket was placed.

Should this not work out, then I would guess tat Regulas and Kreacher made the journey.

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gioiamia March 17 2007, 03:22:50 UTC
while two people would be physically needed to retrieve the locket, ONLY one magical, of age person is allowed to travel in the boat.

I know that I said this when this theory came up in our related discussion, but I LOVE this theory. It makes so much sense and is really an intriguing idea.

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dolphinluv2783 March 17 2007, 03:33:05 UTC
If Regulus really is RAB, then I think the Regulus/Kreacher theory is the best one I've heard so far. I just can't see LV not realizing that the locket he's about to plant is a fake.

I'm going to go with the locket being the one mentioned in Grimmauld Place. It's just so like JKR to make that one tiny mention of a locket while they were cleaning to end up being something important.

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focusf1 March 17 2007, 03:42:55 UTC
Oh the "switched" theory (as I like to call it) is not about LV placing the locket, for as we know it is very distinctive.

The "switched" theory entails a Death Eater (probably Bella) being told to place the locket (he has in the past trucsted me with his most precious...") She being her, not being able to resist taking it on a quick visit to 12GP and showing her "noble" Slythering loving family, and junior DE in the making Regulas switching it.

It would be funny if LV's most "loyal" followers, Bella and Lucius, turned out to be the reasons that 2 of his horcruxes were discovered!

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focusf1 March 17 2007, 03:27:51 UTC
What a disussion that was!

I just think that its so much more easier to perform the switch before placing it. I also wondered why the enchantments etc were still in tact by the time that DD and Harry got to the cave.

Do we really think that LV wouldn't set up some sort of alert to either tell him his security had been breached or that there had been some tampering?

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gioiamia March 17 2007, 03:30:26 UTC
I wonder... if there were alerts set up, would they still be intact once Voldemort lost his original body? He said he was less than a ghost, so presumably he lost almost all his ties to the physical world. I would assume that would include any magical connections, such as links to wards, wouldn't you?

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focusf1 March 17 2007, 03:47:46 UTC
Wards - a funny thing aren't they? For we have no canon on them. They are, as far as I know, a complete fabrication of fanfic. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong, as I have wondered this for ages)

You have a good point. I was thinking more along the lines of the locket specifically. Surely after all those entrapments etc in the cave, LV would have set something up to let him know if his enchantments had been broken? And he was in a body by then. Maybe it is as you say, being less than a ghost, hopelessly soul-less, he does not even feel those things.

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gioiamia March 17 2007, 17:58:39 UTC
A majority of what fans think they know about wards does, I suspect, come from fanfic. However we do have several solid examples of them, though I don't think the word "ward" is ever used. Off the top of my head and without consulting the lexicon I can think of: the protections on 4 Privet Drive, the wards Dumbledore disabled as he and Harry flew back to Hogwarts in HBP, the wards put up around the Burrow which Dumbledore referenced at the beginning of HBP, and numerous other examples where the term "ward" is replaced by "protections" in reference to a building or location (Hogwarts, Quidditch World Cup, Ministry of Magic, etc.). Again, without doing any homework here, I think you may be right that the term "ward" is a fandom invention, though the idea does have some firm basis.

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gioiamia March 17 2007, 17:59:06 UTC
Meant to add- good observation!!

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