Another attempt to raise up more wank

[iclexica]

THIS IS ABOUT CHINA'S SPEECH PATTERN

I mean it is very cute, and I love listening to it in Japanese, and I like tacking it onto the ends of sentences because it's like wearing a big neon sign saying "Chinese". . .

. . . But you guys do realize that it is a Japanese pattern to indicate a style of speech which is archaic and snobby, right?! Rather

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[mogumogu]

What about "ar?" I read somewhere that the whole "aru" business is a parody of the Beijing dialect, which frequently sticks "ar" onto the ends of sentences.

99% chance of shitstorm and it's about Chinese accents

[iclexica]

We don't stick it to the ends of sentences; Chinese speech ticks that stick things onto the ends of sentences are mostly in Cantonese, where you put an exclamation at the end of a sentence to make it casual. "Ngo yi ga yieu hui sic fan la" (I have to go eat something now) is a lot kinder than "ngo yi ga yieu hui sic fan," which sounds more like you're giving someone a reason why you want to get away from them.

The Beijing accent, which is to Mandarin Chinese what the Queen's English is to English, is where you talk like you are juggling balls in your mouth. Where most people would say "Lu shang xiao xin" (be careful on the road, a type of farewell) a Beijing accent would turn it into "Lu sharng xiaor xirn." The thickness of the accent (the roundness of the speech) usually gets heavier if someone is poorer, so it gets hard for regular Mandarin speakers to understand, like how Cockney is difficult for English speakers to understand. The most refined version is just a slight hint of a curl, like an elegant breeze.

Re: 99% chance of shitstorm and it's about Chinese accents

[mogumogu]

Ooooh, thanks! I just eat this stuff up, even though I don't know much about Chinese!

I've been trying to figure out where that "aru" comes from. I know some Japanese, but not enough to think of "aru" as anything but the verb "to be."

Re: 99% chance of shitstorm and it's about Chinese accents

[iclexica]

That's more or less what my Japanese-speaking friend said too, but. *shrug* If I meet a native speaker sometime, I'll try. It is kind of a mystery, isn't it?

[iclexica]

I appreciate the fact that it's a nickname if a Japanese fan uses it, because you know that they're going the route of Igirisu->Iggy, but for English fans the route is more like England->fandom->JapaneseFandom->Iggy, which is frankly silly

[iclexica]

Yeah, Japan is like the one guy who would go around calling him The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Norther Ireland without any intention of mockery. xD;;;;; ("Oh, good evening, Mr. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Was there a matter you wished to discuss with me?" oh man remember his ending theme with "moshi moshi hahaue" or whatever, that is one guy who is not afraid of talking the long way

[kiokushitakaa]

I use "Iggy" because I'm lazy and it's cute and I don't want to type out "England" all the time. I know it comes from "Igirisu" and while I'm not Japanese nor do I consider myself a weeaboo in any sense, there are some things I like about Japanese words, like making cute shortened versions of them. I also like conbini instead of convenience store, for example. Laziness, on my part, pure and simple.

But when I'm in character, for example, I don't let Spain call Italy "Ita-chan." Because in Spanish, he wouldn't use Japanese. Instead I decided to go with "Italianito" (Little Italian, the same thing as Ita-chan) as a nickname that my headcanon!Spain would use for N Italy instead.

[iclexica]

But it's so. . . eungh, I mean, I slip into it sometimes, but I loathe myself every time I do, and it's only because everyone else uses it so much that it happens. I dunno. It really wigs me out and alienates me not just from the conversation but from the person, like "since we were talking about the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland why are we talking about iguanas now?" And really, "Iggy" is two syllables just like "England" or "UK," the second of which satisfies the potential desire to type fewer letters. It just seems strange and all "Japanese in the middle of nowhere," kinda feeling.

That. . . that's so cute, and are also absolutely right. There was a time when, after copying the anime "Doitsu! Doitsu!", my friends and I realized it would work just as well if he shouted "Deutschland! Deutschland!" because the Japanese was imitating that anyway, but in all actuality he would just be saying "Germany! Germany!", or "Germania! Germania!" if he wasn't speaking Common.

[kiokushitakaa]

To be fair, I normally call him England, but sometimes I do slip and use "Iggy" out of sheer laziness. XD

[wabisuke]

Aww "Italianito" sound so cute. :3

[mayahyena]

I was always "meh" on the 'aru' thing. I never even thought it was that cute, to be honest. It's all right in silly fic or whatever, I guess.

But Iggy's so cuuute! True, I get annoyed when it's in fanfiction, but I'll use it endearingly to myself. I CAN TALK TO MYSELF IF I WANT!

Ack, edumacation on Chinese dialects, not around dinner time! D:

[iclexica]

Haha, I like it because whenever I want to silently slip into vocal RP with my friends I just have to stick "aru" at the end of something and they'll understand that I'm pretending to be China now. But yes, it's really irrelevant to the character itself.

Well if you're just using it to yourself that's fine, it's like Americans wandering around saying "ja ne" or calling everyone "-san", but in a fanfiction where people are speaking English or Common and occasionally slipping into their own languages, it's just bizarre when America will keep saying "Iggy! Iggy!" for no reason. If the author references that he learned it from Japan, then it's okay, and then nobody else should use it. But it's not. It's like EVERYONE calls him that. >:\ "IGGY" IS NOT A COUNTRY, GUYS.

BUT I LIKE BEING A KNOW-IT-ALL >8C

[mayahyena]

Yeah, the only time I'll stand it is if it's America using it. Even if the author doesn't specify how he knows it, I just assume he learned it from Japan, because America's totally a weeaboo.

Really? People have other characters use it? I guess I haven't been paying attention. D: That would drive me INSANE.

Wait, when you say "ja ne" do you mean French? 'Cause I totally say things like, "Je ne want any right now. Merci." It totally fills the gaping hole in my life where French lessons used to be. xD

BEING A KNOW-IT-ALL IS HOW I'M SPENDING MY SUMMER. >:D

[mizzsheldon]

/Ahem.

GODDAMNIT, I HATE THE NAME IGGY. America never even calls England that in canon! And it's based off of Japanese, not English, as you said! If anything, the tacky nickname should be Artie. Iggy just doesn't even sound cute to me, well, maybe it does and that's probably why I don't like it, moe!England just makes me go a big rubbery one, but that's another rant for another time.

I cosplay England and when people refer to me as Iggy I have a very large urge to slap something. Usually them.

[mizzsheldon]

I mean that you already stated it's based off of Japanese not English and I was iterating it. The sentence structure came out a might awkward on my part.

[iclexica]

Hahaha, Artie, haha. I've got this really immature beef against the abuse of human names, but that's for another wank. Artie works perfectly as something America might use to annoy England with! And yes, moe!England is a bit of an abomination. It's like they don't even know the first thing about England. :(

You should insult them all wry and sarcastic and sexyyyyyyy. :P

[mizzsheldon]

Unless it's and AU, but AU's are also the bane of my existence. It just seems awkward to refer to the nations with human names, unless they truly don't want to reveal their identity :/, but Artie most certainly works for America wanting to annoy him, haha.

He is a sarcastic, biting, cynicist, that's kind of stocky and truly English.

Haha, actually last person that called me Iggy used it in context of me forgetting them as a colony and I said 'It's alright love, it's the syphilis, I forget everyone.' It was like, my crowning moment of cosplay. I also managed to completely kill the conversation and they walked away, but it was worth the reaction, lmao.