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girlvinyl March 23 2006, 21:28:34 UTC

p3rlm0nk March 23 2006, 21:49:15 UTC
A+++ WOULD CALL AGAIN :D

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not_hothead_yet March 24 2006, 15:53:01 UTC
The pro-choice argument isn't really "I should choose what happens to my body" so much as it is "I should be allowed to choose based on MY beliefs - not someone elses"

Pro-lifers believe abortion kills a person. Well that's their deal and all but the Problem is in that they want to dictate that belief to everyone, regardless of other people's (Pregnant women reallY) beliefs.

If I don't agree with pro-lifers - abortion kills a person - then I should be free to act accordingly. Their argument is "We decided when a person is a person and therefore YOU have to follow our beliefs and act accordingly" That's where the convergence is that you don't see.

The argument seems to be about two different things but it isn't. It's about making choices for a woman's body based on what should be a personal belief system - who's belief should dictate that choice? The individual woman or a group outside of her?

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graymalkn March 24 2006, 17:51:25 UTC
If I don't agree with pro-lifers - abortion kills a person - then I should be free to act accordingly.

Every once in a while you hear about someone killing their own children. What if such a person were to defend their actions as saying that it's their personal belief that children under the age of five aren't people, so they weren't comitting murder? This isn't a purely speculative question - many cultures have held that infanticide is as acceptable as abortion. Would you be comfortable leaving that decision to the individual parent? I wouldn't, and I think the pro-lifers see the situations as differing only in the age of the child, so while I don't agree with them I can see where they're coming from ( ... )

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graymalkn March 24 2006, 18:02:33 UTC
Forgive me - I was so combative in my response that I failed to say what I think we *should* be doing. The best way to fight the pro-lifers is to say, "You are wrong about the facts: here are reasons A, B, and C why a fetus is not a person, and because it isn't, abortion isn't murder."

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