Funny, I thought a cool story next season would be all the hunters in heaven teaming up to take out Metatron...
Oh, wow, you nailed it--this was the exact reverse of 'needs of the many vs needs of the one!' I did not catch that, but you are absolutely right...and yet Sam did the needs of the many in Swan Song, so maybe the Winchesters are allowed to choose differently this time?
This ending felt more like season 2's end, where there was a lot going to happen but the boys were both mostly okay in the very last moment, as opposed to finales where one of them is gone...And, frankly, I'm perfectly okay with that!
Oh, wow, you nailed it--this was the exact reverse of 'needs of the many vs needs of the one!' I did not catch that, but you are absolutely right...and yet Sam did the needs of the many in Swan Song, so maybe the Winchesters are allowed to choose differently this time?
I think after living a completely selfless life (save for the 3 years at Stanford), Sam is entitled to chose not to die for humanity - and Dean is entitled to not let him either. It IS a very interesting reversal of the Winchesters usual complete self-sacrifice, but I don't think that's a bad thing - I think it actually shows that they're in a healthier place emotionally than they've been before.
This ending felt more like season 2's end, where there was a lot going to happen but the boys were both mostly okay in the very last moment, as opposed to finales where one of them is gone...And, frankly, I'm perfectly okay with that!Well spotted. I think you'r absolutely right. And I like the fact that the brothers are together for this ending.
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SO MANY FEELINGS! i thought it was a brilliant - very Carveresque episode for giving us lots of plot but really deep character moments - a bit like Point of No Return.
I thought the final scene with the falling angels was quite stunning.
The Sam/Crowley scene was some of the best acting on the show bar none. And the stunning writing helped too. I think its the best work i've ever scene Mark S do - and I think i've seen everything he's done!
And things are so open for next season - what are they going to do with Crowley, and what Kevin going to do? What about Cas - will he hunt out Sam and Dean or try and fix Heaven adn how would he even do that?
more importantly - how will we survive until September???
Absolutely brilliant. The brother scene was phenomenal, and very reminiscent of Point of No Return, as you say.
Totally agree about the Sam/Crowley scenes being the best on the show bar none. They had great writing to work with, but the choices in line-delivery were AMAZING. Like I said, just the simple way that Sam says "what?" was to me the best delivery of a line that I have ever seen.
I have no idea how I'm going to survive until September. Every year, I always think "It'll be nice to have a little break - I'll get more stuff done" and every year they give me a finale that makes me be like "SCREW GETTING STUFF DONE. MOAR SHOW NAO!!!" and this finale really turned that feeling up to 11.
Yeah, I think it could be cool next season for part of the plot arc, at whatever point, to be Sam and Dean having to go to Heaven and get the band back together to stage a coup and take down Metatron. Where they would go with Season 10 from there, I have no clue, but it could be fun. I also wonder whether Sam completing the final trial will be part of that, with Cas or Crowley immediately killing Dean so he can follow Sam, or if Dean will have to go to confession to let *his* blood be what they use to finish curing Crowley without actually completing the trial. And now that they have the angel tablet, will part of next season's arc be finding a way to *restore* the angels? (And if so, can we have Gabriel back?!) Yes, so very many questions! And good night, the acting our boys did... Home Run Derby, I swear.
I also wonder whether Sam completing the final trial will be part of that, with Cas or Crowley immediately killing Dean so he can follow Sam, or if Dean will have to go to confession to let *his* blood be what they use to finish curing Crowley without actually completing the trial.
Interesting!!
And now that they have the angel tablet, will part of next season's arc be finding a way to *restore* the angels? (And if so, can we have Gabriel back?!)
I think the difference between Anna and Castiel in regards to their grace being pulled from them is what Metatron did after. They didn't seem to want Anna to remember she was an angel and so they gave her a new life to live, whereas Metatron wants Cas to remember so that when he comes to heaven he can tell him his story. Really not liking Metatron right now
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They didn't seem to want Anna to remember she was an angel and so they gave her a new life to live, whereas Metatron wants Cas to remember so that when he comes to heaven he can tell him his story. Really not liking Metatron right now.
that's not quite correct, because Anna fell and was reborn, and actually they wanted to KILL her, because it's illegal for angels to fall and be reborn. So, maybe the difference is just the choice? Anna ripped her own grace out and fell, whereas Castiel got his stolen and then was "sent" to earth. I'm guessing since all the other angels were sent to earth against their will, they'll probably still be fully powered angels in hand-created meat-suits?
That's another little continuity thing that they might want to address - why angels come with meat-suits already. Surely not ALL the angels of heaven had gotten permission from their vessel-lines.
Been seeing a lot of things where people have been making comparisons between things from this season and Season 5 Episode 4 (The End). Yeah, I'm of mixed
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Actually aren't we two years ahead in the SPN universe. There were two time jumps - correct me if I'm wrong - Season 5 to Season 6 a year had passed before Sam and Dean met up in "Exile on Main St" and then we had another year jump from Season 7 to Season 8 when Dean was in purgatory for a year. Wouldn't that put them in 2015 by now?
This is where things get confusing. TECHNICALLY, Supernatural SHOULD be two years ahead - but in practice they aren't. SPN made the decision to basically repeat years, so that no matter how much time passes between seasons, Sam and Dean are always in the current year. So the "school years" 2010/2011 and 2012/2013 both happened twice.
So, you aren't wrong, but you aren't right either. For SPN, even though nearly 6 years have passed in the narrative since The End, they're still in 2013 just like us, and won't be officially in 2014 until we are.
Oh, I didn't catch that last look from Crowley. I'll have to wait until I can rewatch and keep an eye out for it. (Unfortunately, my internet's gone down - so I can't download the ep... or do much of anything.)
I think they'll have to make Sam healthy again... like "letting go" really will just stop whatever is happening to him. Still, it'd be interesting if he were always just one step away from closing the gates.
If they're reborn like Anna was (btw you said Amelia in you post) then they won't be a threat.
Did I? Oops. I blame the show for naming too many girls names that begin with A. :P I'd go back and edit it - but yeah, interent connection is tenuous at best.
Definitely a lot of questions as to what's going to happen next year! It'll be interesting no matter what it is. :)
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Oh, wow, you nailed it--this was the exact reverse of 'needs of the many vs needs of the one!' I did not catch that, but you are absolutely right...and yet Sam did the needs of the many in Swan Song, so maybe the Winchesters are allowed to choose differently this time?
This ending felt more like season 2's end, where there was a lot going to happen but the boys were both mostly okay in the very last moment, as opposed to finales where one of them is gone...And, frankly, I'm perfectly okay with that!
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Oh, wow, you nailed it--this was the exact reverse of 'needs of the many vs needs of the one!' I did not catch that, but you are absolutely right...and yet Sam did the needs of the many in Swan Song, so maybe the Winchesters are allowed to choose differently this time?
I think after living a completely selfless life (save for the 3 years at Stanford), Sam is entitled to chose not to die for humanity - and Dean is entitled to not let him either. It IS a very interesting reversal of the Winchesters usual complete self-sacrifice, but I don't think that's a bad thing - I think it actually shows that they're in a healthier place emotionally than they've been before.
This ending felt more like season 2's end, where there was a lot going to happen but the boys were both mostly okay in the very last moment, as opposed to finales where one of them is gone...And, frankly, I'm perfectly okay with that!Well spotted. I think you'r absolutely right. And I like the fact that the brothers are together for this ending. ( ... )
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I thought the final scene with the falling angels was quite stunning.
The Sam/Crowley scene was some of the best acting on the show bar none. And the stunning writing helped too. I think its the best work i've ever scene Mark S do - and I think i've seen everything he's done!
And things are so open for next season - what are they going to do with Crowley, and what Kevin going to do? What about Cas - will he hunt out Sam and Dean or try and fix Heaven adn how would he even do that?
more importantly - how will we survive until September???
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Totally agree about the Sam/Crowley scenes being the best on the show bar none. They had great writing to work with, but the choices in line-delivery were AMAZING. Like I said, just the simple way that Sam says "what?" was to me the best delivery of a line that I have ever seen.
I have no idea how I'm going to survive until September. Every year, I always think "It'll be nice to have a little break - I'll get more stuff done" and every year they give me a finale that makes me be like "SCREW GETTING STUFF DONE. MOAR SHOW NAO!!!" and this finale really turned that feeling up to 11.
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And now that they have the angel tablet, will part of next season's arc be finding a way to *restore* the angels? (And if so, can we have Gabriel back?!)
Yes, so very many questions! And good night, the acting our boys did... Home Run Derby, I swear.
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Interesting!!
And now that they have the angel tablet, will part of next season's arc be finding a way to *restore* the angels? (And if so, can we have Gabriel back?!)
I'm with you on that one!!
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that's not quite correct, because Anna fell and was reborn, and actually they wanted to KILL her, because it's illegal for angels to fall and be reborn. So, maybe the difference is just the choice? Anna ripped her own grace out and fell, whereas Castiel got his stolen and then was "sent" to earth. I'm guessing since all the other angels were sent to earth against their will, they'll probably still be fully powered angels in hand-created meat-suits?
That's another little continuity thing that they might want to address - why angels come with meat-suits already. Surely not ALL the angels of heaven had gotten permission from their vessel-lines.
Been seeing a lot of things where people have been making comparisons between things from this season and Season 5 Episode 4 (The End). Yeah, I'm of mixed ( ... )
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So, you aren't wrong, but you aren't right either. For SPN, even though nearly 6 years have passed in the narrative since The End, they're still in 2013 just like us, and won't be officially in 2014 until we are.
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I think they'll have to make Sam healthy again... like "letting go" really will just stop whatever is happening to him. Still, it'd be interesting if he were always just one step away from closing the gates.
If they're reborn like Anna was (btw you said Amelia in you post) then they won't be a threat.
Did I? Oops. I blame the show for naming too many girls names that begin with A. :P I'd go back and edit it - but yeah, interent connection is tenuous at best.
Definitely a lot of questions as to what's going to happen next year! It'll be interesting no matter what it is. :)
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