This whole debate reminds me of an animated LJ icon I had seen floating around a while ago. (End of season 4? Not sure when.) It goes "kripke is god. *crossed out* whedon is god. kripke is baby jesus. trust in baby jesus, mmmkay?" It's pretty clear that Kripke sees himself as Chuck and vice versa. So maybe he's seen that icon. :)
My biggest criticism of Chuck=God isn't even in-story based, it's just that it was...unnecessary. they had such a lovely bit of meta with him as a prophet:
He's the author stand-in, but not as the author. That's interesting. As a prophet, he gets the literal Word of God beamed into his head...which in this case, was Supernatural. Which made Kripke/the writers God of the the Supernatural 'verse. It was a really cool way to warp (rather than just breaking) the 4th wall in such a way that it sucked the real world into the story.
And that was just really, really damn cool. Unusual and clever and relatively novel. Making him God kicks the writers back out of the story. They made God a character, and thus distanced themselves from it again.
So, then you'd be a good candidate for believing the 3rd option.
That's the nice thing about stories...you can ignore what the author may have intended, and interpret them the way you WANT to interpret them.
I think there's a word for it...the belief that once a piece of fiction is written and published, the author no longer has a say in how it is received or interpreted.
I mean, it doesn't take away the downer that Chuck's job is done...so it's not like interpretation can get rid of the fact that he's not going to be in S6.
It's too late for me. I'm pretty sure that "Chuck = God" is what they meant. And yeah, I'm bummed about the lack of Chuck, but on the other hand, I really really really appreciated the cleverness of 4.18 and now I won't be able to forget that they undid a bit of it.
I'm on the opinion that Chuck is the prophet, and the last scene, is of God in Chuck image. I always thought that if Chuck is God beforehand, then it doesn't really explain the whole dreaming thing.
The Jesus thing, hmm. I think the writer tried a bit too hard to actually leave some red herring and stuff, what with the Mistress Magda thing, and i thought they should just keep it short and sweet. :)
In Islam, however, Jesus is recognized as a prophet. Paving the way for Mohammad - who was awesome and way better than Jesus. (So awesome, that trying to draw a picture of him is an exercise in futility, because that much awesome cannot be reproduced in the art of man, and you shouldn't even try, because you will never do it justice). In this case, Chuck = Jesus, is Chuck = Prophet. Actually, in Islam, Jesus is even more special than your regular run-of-the-mill prophet, because he's going to come down at the end of times and fight off the Anti-Christ.
Actually, in Islam, you can't draw pictures of any of the Prophets not just Muhammad (pbuh) ^_^ The SPN depiction of the Anti-Christ was interesting but for me, it didn't conform to the stories I've heard about the Anti-Christ (for e.g the Anti-Christ or Dajjal, is going to be blind in one eye)
Oh, well, then there's so many more people for annoying folks to draw for no other reason than to be annoying. *rolls eyes*
Yeah, I think SPN's depiction of the Anti-Christ was more in keeping with modern movie depictions, rather than anything to do with the actual Anti-Christ as depicted in religion.
I'm thinking of movies like Damian and books written by...who was it...Gaiman? Anyway, there seems to be a popular trend of having little evil anti-Christ kids.
My first take immediately seeing the episode was Chuck ascending as a prophet.
My second thought was that the Chuck in the last scene was God but that Chuck had NOT been God before then. I have no idea why that would happen that way, but hey, God works in mysterious ways, right?
My third thought is that Kripke made it completely ambiguous because he loves fandom and wanted to leave them with something to go crazy trying to figure out. :)
My third thought is that Kripke made it completely ambiguous because he loves fandom and wanted to leave them with something to go crazy trying to figure out. :) yes!!!
Awesome. I like the idea of Chuck ascending as a prophet too. And I hadn't actually thought of God only manifesting as Chuck for the very last scene - that's really interesting!
I think Kripke was pretty smart to leave it ambiguous. It wouldn't be nearly as fun if it were all spelled out :)
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He's the author stand-in, but not as the author. That's interesting. As a prophet, he gets the literal Word of God beamed into his head...which in this case, was Supernatural. Which made Kripke/the writers God of the the Supernatural 'verse. It was a really cool way to warp (rather than just breaking) the 4th wall in such a way that it sucked the real world into the story.
And that was just really, really damn cool. Unusual and clever and relatively novel. Making him God kicks the writers back out of the story. They made God a character, and thus distanced themselves from it again.
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That's the nice thing about stories...you can ignore what the author may have intended, and interpret them the way you WANT to interpret them.
I think there's a word for it...the belief that once a piece of fiction is written and published, the author no longer has a say in how it is received or interpreted.
I mean, it doesn't take away the downer that Chuck's job is done...so it's not like interpretation can get rid of the fact that he's not going to be in S6.
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The Jesus thing, hmm. I think the writer tried a bit too hard to actually leave some red herring and stuff, what with the Mistress Magda thing, and i thought they should just keep it short and sweet. :)
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Ooo, that's an interesting way to think about it.
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Actually, in Islam, you can't draw pictures of any of the Prophets not just Muhammad (pbuh) ^_^
The SPN depiction of the Anti-Christ was interesting but for me, it didn't conform to the stories I've heard about the Anti-Christ (for e.g the Anti-Christ or Dajjal, is going to be blind in one eye)
I'm inclined towards the 3rd option...
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Yeah, I think SPN's depiction of the Anti-Christ was more in keeping with modern movie depictions, rather than anything to do with the actual Anti-Christ as depicted in religion.
I'm thinking of movies like Damian and books written by...who was it...Gaiman? Anyway, there seems to be a popular trend of having little evil anti-Christ kids.
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My second thought was that the Chuck in the last scene was God but that Chuck had NOT been God before then. I have no idea why that would happen that way, but hey, God works in mysterious ways, right?
My third thought is that Kripke made it completely ambiguous because he loves fandom and wanted to leave them with something to go crazy trying to figure out. :)
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My third thought is that Kripke made it completely ambiguous because he loves fandom and wanted to leave them with something to go crazy trying to figure out. :)
yes!!!
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I think Kripke was pretty smart to leave it ambiguous. It wouldn't be nearly as fun if it were all spelled out :)
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