This is absolutely brilliant! Wow, I think you're totally onto something here and that has me on pins and needles for the rest of the season. Could it really be that Castiel is working undercover? Yikes.
Yeah, that idea certainly turns up the tension, doesn't it. I have to wonder if doubts are being seeded in order to purposefully create that tension or if truly there is something going on below the surface. We just don't know what it is, yet.
I've never seen much in Castiel (I know, unpopular fannish opinion!), so this would make his character that much more interesting to me, which is why I would love for this idea to play out and not just be there to generate suspense.
I really don't think that Castiel himself is going to prove to be untrustworthy, not because of him specifically but I just can't see the writers toying around with such a fan favorite. But that's a writing thing...
I do however wonder if Castiel's quest is indeed going to have a massive twist. Perhaps when he finds God he'll be downright horrified because God will either be a very dominant woman wielding wooden spoons or perhaps an Andy-esque hippie who believes humanity has reached its high point by inventing pizza.
Still. Clever. And I think it would be a very good parallel if there was something else going on beneath the surface.
I just can't see the writers toying around with such a fan favorite.
*g* If this was Josh Whedon's baby, then you know there'd be no question. He'd go straight to the fandom's heart and rip it out.
Uhm, otherwise, I could see the writers taking Castiel straight to the edge of that precipice, flirting with fandomwide dismay, revealing Castiel's betrayal of Dean but then finding a way to redeem him at the last minute.
So many possibilities: Is it really Castiel that was brought back from the dead? Or a tool? Did he really die? Or, is it as you say, some massive twist to Castiel's quest? (btw: *snork* am now imagining Missouri Mosely in black leather).
Sometimes I wish Kripke would pull a few Whedons but then I remember that Whedon can be especially brutal in terms of storytelling (and it makes perfect sense but boy does he leave you feeling depressed) whereas Kripke has a tendency to back off on big steps (ESPECIALLY when fandom makes their opinion known) and that's both a good and bad thing. But it is far, far better than Kripke emulating RTD.
Actually, it just occurred to me that I would totally be all up on a theory that Castiel himself is dead and what we're seeing now is actually an agent created directly by God to help lead Dean and Sam along a non-destined path but that is a little too Eastern mythic style and wouldn't make sense in this story.
Kripke has a tendency to back off on big steps (ESPECIALLY when fandom makes their opinion known) and that's both a good and bad thing.
Yeah. *sigh* He does. I wonder sometimes, too, how the precarious position of SPN on the CW influences his ability to prioritize artistic over business decisions. I'm sure the business side is much more conservative about these things. "Keep the fans happy and watching" becomes equivalent to "Pander to the masses."
RTD. RTD? rTd? Rtd? Rank Torrid Depths. Regional Tire Dealers. Really Tired Divas. *googles* Ah. I think I heard rumor about the end of last seasons' Torchwood, so, yeah, counting my blessings.
what we're seeing now is actually an agent created directly by God
Huh. That's an intriguing idea. Though horusguard76 is getting me all geeked up about the possibility that Castiel is actually Michael.
I keep thinking, though, that Ruby soothed Sam with the truth, but Castiel tells the truth and Dean gets nervous. Ruby was a cheerleader, telling Sam that he could accomplish what he wanted to do, but Castiel, he's pretty much telling Dean, "Dude, you are so screwed." I'm not sure what that means, but it's a data point.
Yes! I noticed that, too, and like you I'm not sure what to do with it, yet.
If Castiel truly is a double agent, is he continuing to wear Dean down? Dean's in a pretty hopeless and powerless place right now. Without Sam to push him to confront those things that he's helpless against, he's fled into denial and avoidance. Is Castiel pushing him deeper into despair?
I'm really hoping for Anna's reappearance, now. Maybe her appearance would shed some light on these issues.
You know what it would also do? You know this thing where Dean is apparently being set up by the writers as the paragon of what's right, the holder of the Show's truths? He knew Ruby was bad news where Sam was taken in to at least some degree. Dean learned from his experience in Hell and now is wiser, and only if Sam had listened to his older brother everything would still be okay? That thing that ends up portraying both Sam and Dean as flat, one-sided characters? If Castiel is a double-agent, then that goes away. Instead setting Dean up as right, they're setting Dean up for a fall, which makes their portrayal of him much more multi-faceted and complex.
I like my characters to be fully human and ambiguous as all get-out. *hopes*
Erm, I think I've commented on some of your meta before and it continues to be brilliant. And totally bring out the thinky thoughts.
I'd just like to add that a very particular line of Ruby's has always stuck with me. I don't have a direct quote but at the end of 'Sin City' she makes the comment about being a fallen angel on Sam's shoulder. Now Castiel is basically a literal fallen angel on Dean's shoulder.
There are striking parallels between the Sam/Ruby dynamic and the Dean/Castiel one.
I don't have a direct quote but at the end of 'Sin City' she makes the comment about being a fallen angel on Sam's shoulder. Now Castiel is basically a literal fallen angel on Dean's shoulder.
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I really don't think that Castiel himself is going to prove to be untrustworthy, not because of him specifically but I just can't see the writers toying around with such a fan favorite. But that's a writing thing...
I do however wonder if Castiel's quest is indeed going to have a massive twist. Perhaps when he finds God he'll be downright horrified because God will either be a very dominant woman wielding wooden spoons or perhaps an Andy-esque hippie who believes humanity has reached its high point by inventing pizza.
Still. Clever. And I think it would be a very good parallel if there was something else going on beneath the surface.
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*g* If this was Josh Whedon's baby, then you know there'd be no question. He'd go straight to the fandom's heart and rip it out.
Uhm, otherwise, I could see the writers taking Castiel straight to the edge of that precipice, flirting with fandomwide dismay, revealing Castiel's betrayal of Dean but then finding a way to redeem him at the last minute.
So many possibilities: Is it really Castiel that was brought back from the dead? Or a tool? Did he really die? Or, is it as you say, some massive twist to Castiel's quest? (btw: *snork* am now imagining Missouri Mosely in black leather).
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But it is far, far better than Kripke emulating RTD.
Actually, it just occurred to me that I would totally be all up on a theory that Castiel himself is dead and what we're seeing now is actually an agent created directly by God to help lead Dean and Sam along a non-destined path but that is a little too Eastern mythic style and wouldn't make sense in this story.
I would much prefer there to be a twist though.
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Yeah. *sigh* He does. I wonder sometimes, too, how the precarious position of SPN on the CW influences his ability to prioritize artistic over business decisions. I'm sure the business side is much more conservative about these things. "Keep the fans happy and watching" becomes equivalent to "Pander to the masses."
RTD. RTD? rTd? Rtd? Rank Torrid Depths. Regional Tire Dealers. Really Tired Divas. *googles* Ah. I think I heard rumor about the end of last seasons' Torchwood, so, yeah, counting my blessings.
what we're seeing now is actually an agent created directly by God
Huh. That's an intriguing idea. Though horusguard76 is getting me all geeked up about the possibility that Castiel is actually Michael.
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Yes! I noticed that, too, and like you I'm not sure what to do with it, yet.
If Castiel truly is a double agent, is he continuing to wear Dean down? Dean's in a pretty hopeless and powerless place right now. Without Sam to push him to confront those things that he's helpless against, he's fled into denial and avoidance. Is Castiel pushing him deeper into despair?
I'm really hoping for Anna's reappearance, now. Maybe her appearance would shed some light on these issues.
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You know what it would also do? You know this thing where Dean is apparently being set up by the writers as the paragon of what's right, the holder of the Show's truths? He knew Ruby was bad news where Sam was taken in to at least some degree. Dean learned from his experience in Hell and now is wiser, and only if Sam had listened to his older brother everything would still be okay? That thing that ends up portraying both Sam and Dean as flat, one-sided characters? If Castiel is a double-agent, then that goes away. Instead setting Dean up as right, they're setting Dean up for a fall, which makes their portrayal of him much more multi-faceted and complex.
I like my characters to be fully human and ambiguous as all get-out. *hopes*
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I'd just like to add that a very particular line of Ruby's has always stuck with me. I don't have a direct quote but at the end of 'Sin City' she makes the comment about being a fallen angel on Sam's shoulder. Now Castiel is basically a literal fallen angel on Dean's shoulder.
There are striking parallels between the Sam/Ruby dynamic and the Dean/Castiel one.
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O.O
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! HOLY FREAKIN' CRAP!
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How did I NOT make that connection? *blink* Whoa. hehehehehehe.
Okay, I've just got to edit the post to include that observation.
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