For those without access to cgp (which will soon include me--see below), here is the list admin's post which prompted several other nasty replies, as well as my response above [NOTE: Some editing was necessary for space considerations
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If I were able to pay off the roto debt, I obviously would. The simple fact is that I can not. As soon as I'm able, I will.cross-tables says you have played in 15 tournaments since NSC05. I estimate that means you have paid at least $300 in entry fees based on $20/tournament. You have also won over $400 in those tournaments. These facts may cause people to distrust the sincerity of your above remarks
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Re: in the end, it's just moneyhartsmanMarch 25 2007, 01:42:01 UTC
Yeah, I fucked up. Imagine if everyone's worst fuckup were made public. This would certainly pale in comparison.
I'm not trying to minimize anything, or play the "victim". I'm simply saying that all that I can do is right the wrong. Which simply can't happen tomorrow. But I have a promising interview Monday, and if the job comes through, I'll start digging out of this deep hole, a bit at a time.
And to clarify, I had been paying both Mike and Jason monthly. They then both requested payment in full, around the same time, for different reasons (Mike for need, Jason for currency exchange/US cheque cashing issues). I couldn't swing that then, and I can't now. But the total owed is $400--it's manageable.
I wish people would save their self-righteous indignation for W's illegal war, corporate fraud, etc. I'll take my lumps, as I deserve it. But perspective is important.
The lynch mob mentality on cgp at the moment is sad, and all of the personal attacks are in violation of posting guidelines, and won't improve my cash flow in the least
Re: in the end, it's just moneyevwhoreMarch 25 2007, 05:23:29 UTC
I wish people would save their self-righteous indignation for W's illegal war, corporate fraud, etc.
How do you know they aren't indignant about those things also? It's not mutually exclusive. Just because someone complains about something, it does not follow that that is the most important thing that they perceive the need to complain about.
I hope things become better for you. I'm sure that the CGP public hanging will subside soon enough. This type of mentality is one of the reasons that I don't post on CGP anymore.
That being said, I think the difference between the roto people and the other people you are in debt to is that the people in the roto didn't ask to be your creditors. It's a balance: there are serious repercussions if you don't pay your creditors that you desperately want to avoid for obvious reasons, whether it be bankruptcy, being able to see your kids, court orders, foreclosure, eviction, etc.
That being said, people make mistakes, and they should generally be forgiven. Some people may not forgive you, but that's their loss. Unfortunately that's not how society works, or society is very selective in how and when they forgive people. I'm sure that at the end of this things will smooth over with most of the people involved though.
All you can do is continue to pay people what you owe. It has taken you longer than you had intended, there is no denying it. But certainly your intention is not to steal from people. It's a mistake you've made and it'll go away soon enough. People will forgive you once you make things right.
I'll actually be very forgiving if you [Steve] promise not to go to any tournaments until all of your roto debts are paid. Promise that, and your pic and profile on the site get restored immediately.
I do understand that your debts are hard to pay back, and I'm sorry that things are hard for you right now. For me, the unacceptable part is the tourney participation. Remove that irritant, and I think you will find a lot more forgiveness from the entire community.
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I'm not trying to minimize anything, or play the "victim". I'm simply saying that all that I can do is right the wrong. Which simply can't happen tomorrow. But I have a promising interview Monday, and if the job comes through, I'll start digging out of this deep hole, a bit at a time.
And to clarify, I had been paying both Mike and Jason monthly. They then both requested payment in full, around the same time, for different reasons (Mike for need, Jason for currency exchange/US cheque cashing issues). I couldn't swing that then, and I can't now. But the total owed is $400--it's manageable.
I wish people would save their self-righteous indignation for W's illegal war, corporate fraud, etc. I'll take my lumps, as I deserve it. But perspective is important.
The lynch mob mentality on cgp at the moment is sad, and all of the personal attacks are in violation of posting guidelines, and won't improve my cash flow in the least
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How do you know they aren't indignant about those things also? It's not mutually exclusive. Just because someone complains about something, it does not follow that that is the most important thing that they perceive the need to complain about.
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That being said, I think the difference between the roto people and the other people you are in debt to is that the people in the roto didn't ask to be your creditors. It's a balance: there are serious repercussions if you don't pay your creditors that you desperately want to avoid for obvious reasons, whether it be bankruptcy, being able to see your kids, court orders, foreclosure, eviction, etc.
That being said, people make mistakes, and they should generally be forgiven. Some people may not forgive you, but that's their loss. Unfortunately that's not how society works, or society is very selective in how and when they forgive people. I'm sure that at the end of this things will smooth over with most of the people involved though.
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All you can do is continue to pay people what you owe. It has taken you longer than you had intended, there is no denying it. But certainly your intention is not to steal from people. It's a mistake you've made and it'll go away soon enough. People will forgive you once you make things right.
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I do understand that your debts are hard to pay back, and I'm sorry that things are hard for you right now. For me, the unacceptable part is the tourney participation. Remove that irritant, and I think you will find a lot more forgiveness from the entire community.
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