The Lisa scene worked for me rather well. Partly performance based, I acknowledge, but then thinking about the why Lisa, why now? question... Dean's suicidal. She was his goodbye note that he couldn't leave for anyone, that note most suicides leave saying goodbye and why. She's a distant enough connection that Sam's not going to ping on her as a place to look for Dean. Also... unlike Cassie, she did accept him AFTER learning the truth about him. He doesn't have much to hang a connection onto with her -- as you note they really are still virtual strangers -- but it's more than he's gotten from any other woman. So... why not her?
Miles vary, obviously. But after I'd thought about it... it worked for me.
The performances were good, but the show just didn't lead up to it well enough for me. And while Kripke has tried hard to tell us that Dean's at the breaking point, that's because Kripke wants him to be there. I need more convincing. I need to see Dean losing his ability to make rational decisions altogether (aside from this WTF coda), because Dean choosing to let Michael take him over ONLY ends the Apocalypse if Lucifer finds a vessel, and his target vessel is Sam.
So this ultimately comes down to Dean choosing to risk the possibility of killing his own brother, who at the moment shows no more signs of being evil than, say, Bobby.
All Dean has to do is say "No," and he removes any reason whatsoever for Sam to say "Yes." It's simple math, and having set up that premise, Kripke has to make the cave-in come about believably for it to work for meGiven that I don't want to see that, and never have, I need more persuading than most, it's true
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Dean choosing to let Michael take him over ONLY ends the Apocalypse if Lucifer finds a vessel, and his target vessel is Sam....
All Dean has to do is say "No," and he removes any reason whatsoever for Sam to say "Yes." It's simple math, and having set up that premise, Kripke has to make the cave-in come about believably for it to work for me.
Ah, but that is exactly why this episode worked for me in establishing why Dean would go 'Michael stupid', lol. In my own ep review I cited several different parallels between this ep and The End -- and Dean was clearly noticing it too. So for him to conclude that 2014 was coming about anyway, even without Sam being Lucifer's vessel, didn't feel unreasonable at all, but rather logical. Of course, I think he still missed a few pertinent points of consideration, but that's also understandable considering everything he's trying to juggle in his mind. And yeah, stupid to not include Sam's input more, but his trust issues with Sam have not miracuously resolved, and that is still a factor in his
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Two things: drunk!Castiel rules the world. *lol* And Show; Kripke; WTF? Even I, with my usual tender heart that gets yanked on all the time with SPN, was like, "Um, what the hell is going on here?" Why would Kripke just tie the ending of the episode up into such a...non-neat way? Dean going to see Lisa just made no sense. Why would he suddenly have an epiphany like that--unless he's really losing his shit, and sick of the war, and just wants it to be over? At any rate, this eppy, while good, didn't make me happy with TPTB at the end. Ah, well, such is life. Let's hope that next week will be more...um...coherent? ;)
I loved drunk!Castiel here, though I felt bad for him (a whole liquor store!).
The ending was so poorly done, and "wanting the war to be over" (when the war apparently is really a pissing match between Michael and Lucifer)... doesn't make sense when the likely price of it being over is killing Sam. :(
I hate it when the show does "dumb." There's been plenty of time to write this direction of the show, if that's what Kripke wants, but he's been so busy dinking around with comedic episodes and randomness that he hasn't done it. Work harder!
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Miles vary, obviously. But after I'd thought about it... it worked for me.
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So this ultimately comes down to Dean choosing to risk the possibility of killing his own brother, who at the moment shows no more signs of being evil than, say, Bobby.
All Dean has to do is say "No," and he removes any reason whatsoever for Sam to say "Yes." It's simple math, and having set up that premise, Kripke has to make the cave-in come about believably for it to work for meGiven that I don't want to see that, and never have, I need more persuading than most, it's true ( ... )
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All Dean has to do is say "No," and he removes any reason whatsoever for Sam to say "Yes." It's simple math, and having set up that premise, Kripke has to make the cave-in come about believably for it to work for me.
Ah, but that is exactly why this episode worked for me in establishing why Dean would go 'Michael stupid', lol. In my own ep review I cited several different parallels between this ep and The End -- and Dean was clearly noticing it too. So for him to conclude that 2014 was coming about anyway, even without Sam being Lucifer's vessel, didn't feel unreasonable at all, but rather logical. Of course, I think he still missed a few pertinent points of consideration, but that's also understandable considering everything he's trying to juggle in his mind. And yeah, stupid to not include Sam's input more, but his trust issues with Sam have not miracuously resolved, and that is still a factor in his ( ... )
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Why would Kripke just tie the ending of the episode up into such a...non-neat way? Dean going to see Lisa just made no sense. Why would he suddenly have an epiphany like that--unless he's really losing his shit, and sick of the war, and just wants it to be over?
At any rate, this eppy, while good, didn't make me happy with TPTB at the end. Ah, well, such is life. Let's hope that next week will be more...um...coherent?
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The ending was so poorly done, and "wanting the war to be over" (when the war apparently is really a pissing match between Michael and Lucifer)... doesn't make sense when the likely price of it being over is killing Sam. :(
I hate it when the show does "dumb." There's been plenty of time to write this direction of the show, if that's what Kripke wants, but he's been so busy dinking around with comedic episodes and randomness that he hasn't done it. Work harder!
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