There's more then one ep that has to do with Vulcans and mind-melds. I have yet to see the one with T'Pau, who is apparently a Vulcan (perhaps *the* Vulcan) who is a powerful enough telepath and adept at mind-melding who knows how to "cure" those with this disease.
Lordy, it's all so silly, but honestly, I really am warming up to the whole concept. LOL.
I just realized that BOTH of my Trek icons have mindmelds in them.
I saw that Enterprise ep, and I didn't like it then, and don't like it now, but mostly I find that the entire series was a giant wankjob from beginning to end and...well. Yeah.
I am reasonably certain that if Vulcans were so all-fired unbending and hidebound, they wouldn't've been part of the founding of the Federation to start with. Heck, they probably would've left Earth after meeting ol' Zeph Cochrane and said "Right, not going back THERE again!" I think their inflexibility comes in the form "proper public behavior" rather than general cultural hideboundness.
Also -- how is it that Spock, the template for all Vulcans since, was by far the funniest Vulcan ever? "They were brutal, savage, unprincipled, uncivilized, treacherous -- in every way, splendid examples of Homo sapiens, the very flower of humanity."
I guess maybe everyone thought he was funny because he was half-human, but look at that exchange with Sarek at the end of "Journey to Babel" -- you can't tell me he didn't inherit his dad's sense of humor, now can you?
(Really I am just showing off my other mindmeld icon.)
(Really I am just showing off my other mindmeld icon.)
HEE.
And, omg, I don't know why exactly, but I often think this. Because, really? Although I enjoyed Tuvok and I rather like T'Pol, no other Vulcan actually feels Vulcan to me, the way that in my head a Vulcan should be, then Spock and Sarek.
Yes, well, tis so. I sort of go LALALA I DON'T SEE YOU to all that, because, well, tptb tried to do something tricky regarding Enterprise in general and Vulcans specifically and failed, but failed more or less with some interesting ideas and such. So, whatever, but yeah. I agree. *g*
But then I realized that this basically means that Spock is, canonically, GAY (and, er, every other Vulcan, too), and then the whole concept started working for me.
It started to work for me on this basis too, but I feel like I would have LOVED it all if this had been the only aspect of the Vulcan retcon (and I think it would have worked perfectly well for the point TPTB were making -- a society that appears to have gotten all its shit together but still has this one massive area of hypocrisy that we find out about would be just as effective as the Enterprise vision of Vulcans as across-the-board hypocrites, and less annoying/retconny).
It started to work for me on this basis too, but I feel like I would have LOVED it all if this had been the only aspect of the Vulcan retcon
Oh, I completely agree. It almost makes me weep for the lost opportunity, what they could have done exploring the Vulcans. Particularly with showing how humans changed Vulcan society and vis versa, without it being so, as you say, across-the-board hypocritical. Not they they wouldn't have had growing pains, but really, it's so difficult to accept.
On the other hand, I believe that it was things like the sketchiness of the retconned Vulcans (along with zombies and mindmeld STDs) that were part of the pure cracktasticness which sold me on Enterprise in the first place. Well, okay, that plus Trip. And Porthos.
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There's more then one ep that has to do with Vulcans and mind-melds. I have yet to see the one with T'Pau, who is apparently a Vulcan (perhaps *the* Vulcan) who is a powerful enough telepath and adept at mind-melding who knows how to "cure" those with this disease.
Lordy, it's all so silly, but honestly, I really am warming up to the whole concept. LOL.
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I saw that Enterprise ep, and I didn't like it then, and don't like it now, but mostly I find that the entire series was a giant wankjob from beginning to end and...well. Yeah.
I am reasonably certain that if Vulcans were so all-fired unbending and hidebound, they wouldn't've been part of the founding of the Federation to start with. Heck, they probably would've left Earth after meeting ol' Zeph Cochrane and said "Right, not going back THERE again!" I think their inflexibility comes in the form "proper public behavior" rather than general cultural hideboundness.
OK I need to stop before I start ranting. :p
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I guess maybe everyone thought he was funny because he was half-human, but look at that exchange with Sarek at the end of "Journey to Babel" -- you can't tell me he didn't inherit his dad's sense of humor, now can you?
(Really I am just showing off my other mindmeld icon.)
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HEE.
And, omg, I don't know why exactly, but I often think this. Because, really? Although I enjoyed Tuvok and I rather like T'Pol, no other Vulcan actually feels Vulcan to me, the way that in my head a Vulcan should be, then Spock and Sarek.
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dude. kirk/spock for the win! *mad giggles*
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It started to work for me on this basis too, but I feel like I would have LOVED it all if this had been the only aspect of the Vulcan retcon (and I think it would have worked perfectly well for the point TPTB were making -- a society that appears to have gotten all its shit together but still has this one massive area of hypocrisy that we find out about would be just as effective as the Enterprise vision of Vulcans as across-the-board hypocrites, and less annoying/retconny).
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Oh, I completely agree. It almost makes me weep for the lost opportunity, what they could have done exploring the Vulcans. Particularly with showing how humans changed Vulcan society and vis versa, without it being so, as you say, across-the-board hypocritical. Not they they wouldn't have had growing pains, but really, it's so difficult to accept.
hrmph.
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