Animal Rights vs Welfare rant + another AR crime news article link

Jan 08, 2006 11:41

Hunters try to save boar farmer's bacon - The Guardian ( Read more... )

animal rights activists, animal welfare, animals

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Strange, and ironic gsyh January 8 2006, 20:54:24 UTC
Ironic, ironic in a stupid kind of way. Slavery is when the slave-owners don't see their slaves as humans, or don't care, taking away their rights and equating them to the status of animals.

I have the ultra hate for PETA. You might consider joining anti_vegan. I like it better than the usual anti-PETA groups, because while it is anti-PETA, it's not all rants, there are lots of cooking recipes and parodies, and general animal rights acts of terrorism alert. (Terrorism: Threatening to kill or actually kill people for their cause, physically harming them or threatening to, burning down labs, stalking their targets especially with intent to incite fears for their lives and families.)

I'm glad to have you on my friend list BTW, fandom interests and RL!

BTW, been thinking about making a "You Know you are from Toronto" meme, because the one at blogthing is outdated and off, it'll probably be March Break, and I'll probably enlist toronto as well, but interested?

List I have so farYou know that Earth is not the Center of the Universe, but Toronto is ( ... )

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Re: If you read the current ColorLines Magazine.... thomasvye January 9 2006, 00:29:32 UTC
Maybe it is rather raising the beast and not lowering the human?

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thomasvye January 9 2006, 00:41:44 UTC
In my opinion animals should be treated with as much respect as people, from the lowliest little ant to the biggest beasts on Earth, from the tiniest deep sea fish to the mightiest whale. Who is to say their lives are not worth as much as our own; to them they are. Who is to decide what is sentient or not? Those creatures are happy for who they are (or maybe not; maybe they dream of bigger and 'better' things; I have never been them so I can't say).

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I respect all life as much as possible and relative to each other according gsyh January 9 2006, 01:22:25 UTC
I won't kill an ant for kicks. When I find flies and spiders in my house I release them outside, or for the spiders, if it's winter, I let the one I find stay in the basement. For flies, well, if they never found the way inside my house they would be dead anyways, and dead by Canadian winter isn't the most painful way to go. It is impossible and impractical to try going through life without hurting anything or even anyone ( ... )

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Re: I respect all life as much as possible and relative to each other according thomasvye January 9 2006, 01:26:01 UTC
Well, if you prove to me that an animal isn't as sentient in it's thinking as a human then I *might* think humans are superior. But as I know an awful lot of deliberately nasty and cruel people, and I know that the number of deliberately cruel and nasty people outnumbers the number of deliberately cruel and nasty animals quite cosiderably, I think I'll go on considering animals to be our equals in importance. Equal but different.

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Of deliberately nasty and cruel people gsyh January 9 2006, 01:44:36 UTC
Ah, that's just the thing, as far as I know, animals can't really be deliberately cruel, or kind. Some, especially mammals, have natural nurturing instincts, and some, especially predators, are instinctively cruel, but it's not really deliberate. Only humans can be deliberately cruel, or deliberately kind, as far as I know, we are the only ones with that potential, that consciousness to exercise our free will.

Sometimes, I like animals in that I like spending time with them, more than I do with humans, because they can't be deliberately cruel. If a cat scratches me, I won't feel hurt, beyond the physical, because it doesn't wish me harm, it's just a cat, and it's probably something I did, although sometimes it's something other people did ( ... )

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