YARRR! "Remnants" Drunken Episode Reaction

[greyias]

Okay, I've learned the trick to initial viewings of Joe Mallozzi episodes: drinking.

No, seriously. He's brilliant when I'm sloshed (okay, on my way there. Have to start celebrating early, right?) I mean, yes, I still guess everything way before it's revealed, but it's because he and I are MIND TWINS1. That's it. Or the margaritas.

ANYWAY.

Comments

[bramble_rose]

See, this makes all kinds of sense to me *g*... Much as I love the team, I don't trust the writers enough to watch without a stop/ff button available anymore, and that makes me sad. Drinking might help with that!

John as pirate, ARRRR! (and, eww)

[greyias]

In my case, it's not the writers as a whole I don't trust, just Joe M when he starts writing a script. Especially one he is particularly proud of. Lord love the man, but he doesn't have much of a sense of pacing or tension. Do I trust any of the writing team with romance? Not a chance. I'm not sure if drinking helps, *g*, other than loosening my inhibitions in revealing the entire episode's plot to the rest of the viewing audience.

John as pirate, ARRRR! (and, eww)

YARRR!

John actually makes a pretty good pirate.

[bramble_rose]

Oh,yes he does :-) I haven't watched this yet, but it almost sounds like John has some daddy issues that are superimposed on Kolya (eww, again, maybe?) And, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I didn't hit the ff button even once on The Shrine. So it's only some writers. And, yeah. Joe M.

[wildcat88]

I missed the Fog People mention. Where was that?

Woolsey - such love for him. And can I just say that I knew Shen was after Woolsey's job? I even wrote a little drabble about it. After The Seed. I love validation!!!

I knew Kolya was a mindgame when he was on the mainland with no explanation on how he got there without a ship or a gate. And I suspected about Radek when he kept insisting Rodney focus on the data (rather like in This Mortal Coil).

I sure would have liked a little more indepth look into John...

[greyias]

Poor Joe M., he tries so hard. I'm not sure why his episodes are so predictable, but they are. I'm wondering if it's because we are writers, so we think in that manner? I have the same bad habit with a lot of other shows on television, so it's not like it's just him.

I missed the Fog People mention. Where was that?

Oh... tonight's not a good night for fact checking. I'm 99% sure that's what Rodney was referring to when he was talking about "mass hallucinations". It was really, really quick, I think when Rodney barged in on Woolsey and co. in his penthouse.

(PENTHOUSE! HEE!)

Re: Lack of John Depth

[original snipped due to drunken rambling... x2]

I'll be honest, there was opportunity... but I'm not sure exactly what that opportunity was. We all have many questions about him and his past (boy, do we!), but as far as John as a whole and a character... I guess maybe that's what the episode was supposed to tell us? Something revealing? I don't know. I'm really not sure the episode's format lended itself to give us anything. But I

[sholio]

This was actually one of the episodes I've enjoyed most out of the whole season! Possibly because my expectations were low ... I went on my f'list while waiting for it to download and saw a lot of anti-squee (didn't read it, but it was obvious from the cut tags), so with that plus knowing it was a Mallozzi ep, I went in with basically zero expectations. And I loved it! The whole thing was all character stuff! Mallozzi does like writing the character stuff, which gives me hope for the movie. I saw all the plot twists coming a mile away, but they weren't stupid plot twists for a change; predictable, but it was actually kind of a cool idea, and they used the show's lack of logic against us! Things like Kolya appearing on the mainland with his nonsensical explanation for how he got there was a clue rather than a plot hole! It was actually a pretty awesome episode -- John's insecurities are EVEN MORE total canon now (man, I need to write up something about how John sees himself, because whenever he's in control of a hallucination, he

[jadesfire]

Is this the happy car? Do you have a spare seat?

*squeezes in*

Watching it pre-coffee also kind of helped, because it meant I was slower to catch on to the plot twists which kept me on the edge of my porridge ;) But I dropped in to say pretty much everything you said, especially about John and how he sees himself in relation to the people on Atlantis. The most telling line for me way "You torture yourself every day". Oh John. Rodney's was just as interesting in its own way - he knows he's that good, but he really, really needs people to tell him it. Oh boys.

Also, Grey, I am not giving John a hook. Just so's we clear. No. Hook. Period.

[sholio]

*makes room for you in happy-car*

But John subconsciously *wants* a hook! You can't disappoint John's emo subconscious! *g*

I'm kind of boggled that the fandom seems to have disliked this episode as much as they did. (I'm kinda avoiding most of the episode reactions, but I get the gist of it.) I mean, yeah, it's kind of predictable and we've seen this plot before, but damn it, "character tortured by hallucinations" is a good plot. They should use it often. XD

[greyias]

But John subconsciously *wants* a hook! You can't disappoint John's emo subconscious! *g*

Exactly! I'm just speaking on John's behalf. If he weren't too embarrassed, he'd ask you for the hook himself! *g*

[trystings]

oh man oh man oh man. Joe Joe Joe... *g*

You wanna know something? I didn't know Sheppard was hallucinating until the scene where he's hanging of the cliff. Hahaha. Didn't know McKay was hallucinating until the very end! This episode was so all over the place and yet somehow I found it awesome.

Sheppard, honey, you need therapy.

Edit, cause I pushed tab instead of caps lock and ended up posting. Comment fail!

[greyias]

It's a very entertaining episode! Sure, I pre-medicated beforehand, but that just made it more fun *g*

Sheppard, honey, you need therapy.

*snort* He definitely does... but for some reason I always envision John in therapy as something he turns around on the psychiatrist. By the end of the session, he's got the shrink talking more, and manages to slip out without the doc realizing that John never said a darn thing.

[sgatazmy]

Yeah, I called the hallucination fairly early on myself, but that was half the fun of watching it. I did love this episode and Woolsey was just amazing.

Happy Birthday!

[greyias]

Thank you! ♥

This episode was fairly happy-making for me, even if I did predict most of it. And we got an honest-to-god, Woolsey-centered episode this season. I couldn't be happier! :D