Yes it is

Feb 04, 2013 16:02

The human remains found under a car park in Leicester are "beyond reasonable doubt" those of Richard III, last Plantagenet King of England.

I read Daughter of Time at an impressionable age. I'm not a rabid Ricardian, but I am rather pleased that the evidence shows he was not a deformed monster but a lightly-built youngish man with scoliosis - ( Read more... )

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shapinglight February 4 2013, 16:17:10 UTC
I'm looking forward to seeing the program about it this evening. I was always a Ricardian.

That said, I suspect he probably was responsible for the death/disappearance of his nephews, if only because it's hard to see who else would have benefited from the same.

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gillo February 4 2013, 16:27:30 UTC
I don't really wear the idea that Henry Tudor had more to gain from their deaths, no - he would have trotted them out and got them to abdicate all claims. Then execute them as young adults, probably.

Richard had such a short reign it's difficult to work out how good he was, but he seems to have been a very competent administrator and offered peace. His claim to the throne was certainly better than Henry's.

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fjm February 4 2013, 17:21:56 UTC
Except that the strength of Henry's claim is almost entirely through his wife, and if the boys are alive...

But what is much more interesting is that the "hey, I won" argument was not considered quite enough, because of the need to end the turn and turn about nature of the Lancastrian/Yorkist claims.

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curiouswombat February 4 2013, 18:17:11 UTC
Except that the strength of Henry's claim is almost entirely through his wife, and if the boys are alive...

This has always seemed to me to be the main reason to suspect Henry not Richard. They were legally declared illegitimate and so were no real threat to Richard - but being married to an illegitimate daughter of a former king wasn't much claim for Henry...

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wwmrsweasleydo February 4 2013, 16:28:17 UTC
We're very fond of Richard here in York. This is very good news indeed. (Him & Guy Fawkes are both considered to be locals who've had an undeserved bad press).

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gillo February 4 2013, 16:36:51 UTC
I agree. Pity Leicester gets to keep him.

Are you in York proper? We have friends in Selby we visit regularly.

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wwmrsweasleydo February 4 2013, 17:59:59 UTC
We're just outside York, within the ring road. Maybe we could meet up some time you're in the area?

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gillo February 4 2013, 22:06:58 UTC
That would be fun.

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carmarthen February 4 2013, 16:40:38 UTC
!!!!!!!

Well, this is exciting!

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gillo February 4 2013, 22:15:56 UTC
It really is.

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yvonnet February 4 2013, 18:24:34 UTC
Well, but Henry definitely killed off/imprisoned/ married off to a Lancastrian, everyone else in line - per esempio,the young Clarence, the earl of Lincoln were executed, Liz Woodville shut up for life (on second thoughts, that one is maybe forgiveable)..
I blame Buckingham. Never liked him!!

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gillo February 4 2013, 22:14:44 UTC
Hmm. Richard bumped off Buckingham, possibly because he knew too much.

Reminds me of an earlier royal family: "Of course he's got a knife. It's 1183 and we're all barbarians!"

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deborahw37 February 4 2013, 18:48:58 UTC
Daughter of Time is a most persuasive read... I was yelling at R4 today when they were blathering on about villainy and murder. Really looking forward to the C4 documentary this evening

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gillo February 4 2013, 22:12:56 UTC
Possibly slightly over-persuasive, but it certainly won teenage me over. The documentary is doing a fairly good job.

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