This s great! I love how casual Jack is with Elizabeth, as if he's never met any gentry before- or at least, that he treats everyone the same. Very modern of him. ^_^
And of course, this re-inforces my theories that Barbossa treated her more like a lady than Jack did. Which I love.
as if he's never met any gentry before- or at least, that he treats everyone the same.
I think he's met so many people of all different stations that he has no illusions about any of them any more. But Elizabeth proved she was different from ordinary ladies, right from the start. No panic or fear after her near drowning, and she defended Jack immediately when her father and Norrington threatened him. She saw him as something more than just a pirate, and he's always seen her as more than just a well-to-do lady. Unusual in their respective worlds.
I think Barbossa's treatment of Elizabeth was far more condescending and threatening underneath the polite veneer. If things had turned out differently with the curse, she would have been in real trouble. "Waste not!"
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I think Barbossa's treatment of Elizabeth was far more condescending and threatening underneath the polite veneer. If things had turned out differently with the curse, she would have been in real trouble.
Oh definately. But you can be the meanest bastard in the world and still treat someone like a lady. He made sure she was comfortable, gave her a dress and some food and whatnot. I realise that it was just as much for his benefit as hers, but still. Jack seems to be very involved in himself- not that I don't love him.
Very nice! I like that you looked at the nickname from her perspective; as is clear in CotBP, the proper use of names is important, and Jack takes great pleasure in defying convention - it's nice to see how Elizabeth responds to that trait in him.
I really like the contrast that's drawn between Jack and Will, too, in light of this fic... Elizabeth feels Jack's use of the nickname indicates his ability to see her true self. Conversely, Will always used her formal name (indicating, of course, his perception of her as Ideal) and only later allowed himself to use 'Elizabeth'. And no sooner does Will make that change, and perhaps open the door for Elizabeth to feel he's perceiving her more honestly, when Jack blows by all of that with his 'Lizzie' and all its connotations.
I absolutely adore this fandom... so many layers! Excellent work. :-)
Jack takes great pleasure in defying convention - it's nice to see how Elizabeth responds to that trait in him.
Pirate! And she's idolized pirates all her life for that very reason. And Jack's best of all -- she's read about his cleverness and preference for non-violent interaction. Right from the start she sees him as a pirate and a good man -- maybe better than he is, actually, which puts him on his mettle, to a certain extent. And he sees her for what she is, too. They're good for each other.
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Right from the start she sees him as a pirate and a good man -- maybe better than he is, actually, which puts him on his mettle, to a certain extent.
I think this is very healthy for Jack - it's very seldom that he would have someone who would expect something good out of him, and all human beings are wired to want to meet expectations. Jack's contrary, but I think the fact that Elizabeth's expectations embrace who he is (a pirate) while still demanding good challenges him to meet those expectations, even if it's just subconsciously. Elizabeth is one of the few people I think Jack wants to please (despite himself), and she challenges him to be a better person without denying the fundamental essence of who he is.
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I think so too. Which is a strong reason for her to be attracted to him, I think.
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And of course, this re-inforces my theories that Barbossa treated her more like a lady than Jack did. Which I love.
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I think he's met so many people of all different stations that he has no illusions about any of them any more. But Elizabeth proved she was different from ordinary ladies, right from the start. No panic or fear after her near drowning, and she defended Jack immediately when her father and Norrington threatened him. She saw him as something more than just a pirate, and he's always seen her as more than just a well-to-do lady. Unusual in their respective worlds.
I think Barbossa's treatment of Elizabeth was far more condescending and threatening underneath the polite veneer. If things had turned out differently with the curse, she would have been in real trouble. "Waste not!"
Very happy you liked the story, though. Thank you for reading and commenting.
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Oh definately. But you can be the meanest bastard in the world and still treat someone like a lady. He made sure she was comfortable, gave her a dress and some food and whatnot. I realise that it was just as much for his benefit as hers, but still. Jack seems to be very involved in himself- not that I don't love him.
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I really like the contrast that's drawn between Jack and Will, too, in light of this fic... Elizabeth feels Jack's use of the nickname indicates his ability to see her true self. Conversely, Will always used her formal name (indicating, of course, his perception of her as Ideal) and only later allowed himself to use 'Elizabeth'. And no sooner does Will make that change, and perhaps open the door for Elizabeth to feel he's perceiving her more honestly, when Jack blows by all of that with his 'Lizzie' and all its connotations.
I absolutely adore this fandom... so many layers! Excellent work. :-)
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Pirate! And she's idolized pirates all her life for that very reason. And Jack's best of all -- she's read about his cleverness and preference for non-violent interaction. Right from the start she sees him as a pirate and a good man -- maybe better than he is, actually, which puts him on his mettle, to a certain extent. And he sees her for what she is, too. They're good for each other.
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I think this is very healthy for Jack - it's very seldom that he would have someone who would expect something good out of him, and all human beings are wired to want to meet expectations. Jack's contrary, but I think the fact that Elizabeth's expectations embrace who he is (a pirate) while still demanding good challenges him to meet those expectations, even if it's just subconsciously. Elizabeth is one of the few people I think Jack wants to please (despite himself), and she challenges him to be a better person without denying the fundamental essence of who he is.
They're definitely good for each other. :-)
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