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Awkward grimm24 February 3 2006, 21:18:29 UTC
Im not for or against this, it seems kind of silly that Blizzard would make such a big deal over this but at the same time you can tell that Blizzard is only trying to keep the rules intact. It will be interesting to see how this turns out

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Oh god this has spread here? oldmankeebler February 3 2006, 21:19:17 UTC
It simple, you should not saying who you choose to sleep with in a guild advertisement. Its not a question of gay people aren't allowed to advertise their sexual orientation. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE THERE GUILD USING THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTION. You won't see "straight friendly" advertisement. Its a family based game with people of all ages playing, You don't need to know who I'm sleeping with and I sure don't need to know who your sleeping with.

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Re: Oh god this has spread here? jabrwock February 3 2006, 21:25:42 UTC
It simple, you should not saying who you choose to sleep with in a guild advertisement.

Yet they allow in-game marriages. Do you see why the charge of discrimination is being made?

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Re: Oh god this has spread here? pope_guilty February 3 2006, 21:30:31 UTC
Are in-game marriages boy-girl only?

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Re: Oh god this has spread here? jabrwock February 3 2006, 21:32:03 UTC
Are in-game marriages boy-girl only?

No idea. But I imagine if they were trying to announce a gay marriage they'd be cited for the same reason as advertising a gay guild.

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howdoyouplead February 3 2006, 21:21:25 UTC
There's a GLBT guild called "The Spreading Taint?" That is so funny.

But anyway, Blizzard must've not thought that hard about this before they reacted. Maybe they should be working to fix the problems that DO EXIST in the game, like goldfarming.

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jabrwock February 3 2006, 21:27:00 UTC
Maybe they should be working to fix the problems that DO EXIST in the game, like goldfarming.

Maybe they should take some queues from Square-Enix. Apparently 90% of their gilfarmers dropped off the face of the earth last week... Maybe it was ninjas...

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keddren February 3 2006, 21:30:28 UTC
Blizzard recently nuked several accounts for gold farming. Tyr's Hand (popular gold farming spot) is now perpetually empty.

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lordlundar February 4 2006, 03:04:37 UTC
the nuke wasn't the only reason. tyr's hand got modified with the last major patch. the mobs are harder and drop less loot.

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keddren February 3 2006, 21:25:59 UTC
"businesses cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation."

That's a very broad wording of the law. That phrase refers to business practices such as hiring and employee advancement/punitive measures and really doesn't apply in this case. Blizzard is upholding its TOS, basically telling the OZ that they're welcome to advertise their GLBT-friendly guild on the game forums but not over in-game general chat.

They didn't tell them in the best way. Providing the policy in question as they did they're approaching the issue from a "burn the village to save it" sort of way.

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jabrwock February 3 2006, 21:29:57 UTC
Blizzard is upholding its TOS, basically telling the OZ that they're welcome to advertise their GLBT-friendly guild on the game forums but not over in-game general chat.

Except if you read their TOS, it doesn't say you CAN'T reveal your sexual orientation, just that you can't do it in an INSULTING way... *confused*

That phrase refers to business practices such as hiring and employee advancement/punitive measures and really doesn't apply in this case.

I suppose it would depend on the wording of the law. If it applies to who the business does business with, then it would apply. But yeah, most places it just applies to hiring practices & internal matters...

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keddren February 3 2006, 21:38:18 UTC
"Except if you read their TOS, it doesn't say you CAN'T reveal your sexual orientation, just that you can't do it in an INSULTING way... *confused*"

That's not what they were doing, really. They were advertising for a guild that specifically caters to a certain political/racial/sexual orientation demographic, which I'm fairly certain is a big no-no as far as Blizzard is concerned.

Why they chose that particular part of the TOS to site is beyond me, however.

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kingnat February 4 2006, 00:30:23 UTC
Nope. There are more than a few Sweedish only guilds on the European servers I used to play on and Blizzard don't (nor should they) do anything about them or their advertising.

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keddren February 3 2006, 21:29:05 UTC
"The response, posted on WoW's forums, sparked outrage & debate (and over 2,500 posts about the subject), and many accused Blizzard of being "anti-gay". There was even an in-game protest where players tried to block a marriage ceremony because the participants were "flaunting their heterosexuality".

Sorry for the double post, but I missed this part on my first read through.

That's just fundamentally stupid. You don't go ruining someone else's experience because you're unhappy with something Blizzard did/is doing. It's my sincere hope that everyone involved in that protest got a temp ban.

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