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May 06, 2012 17:57


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secretsolitaire May 7 2012, 01:35:05 UTC
YES.

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gaeln May 7 2012, 23:13:42 UTC
*agrees*

Loves that icon!!

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connorblond May 7 2012, 05:48:16 UTC
You know, this sounds nice and all - and don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming you, and those are nice words, sure - but if they'd act on it, really act on it - that's what I'd like to see.

It's just so discouraging to read some things happening all over the world. And I know that nobody can change or save the world, but still ... there have to be consequences if a country still kills people just because they love someone of their own gender. And yet, most western states still do business with states liket hat, even call them friends (like Saudi Arabia). So words fall flat in the face of that.

Sorry, if this sounds meh, but I'm just so tired of yet more pretty words.

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gaeln May 7 2012, 23:06:03 UTC
There was a time when no person of power would have dared to speak these words, no matter how they as human beings actually felt, for fear of reprisals. Never forget what it was like here, in puritan America, in the 1950s, more supposed homosexuals were fired from the federal government, were blacklisted than communists. Now there are gay men and women who are openly elected which makes the very repressed, very right-wing ideologues scared shitless so, they fight back wanting nothing more than to keep this country as it was some 200 years ago ( ... )

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connorblond May 10 2012, 05:36:51 UTC
I just read through this entry and comments, and I want to you to know that it's never meant to be an attack against you! I just - am wary of politicians, that's all.
I also agree that things have gotten better.

But unlike you I can't see a worldwide revolution as much as I'd like to. In fact, I think on some continents, thanks to the beliefs and rules of white men things have gotten much worse. See, for example in Africa or Asia where equality was much more widespread before stupid beliefs turned everything upside down. And I'm not just talking about gay or straight, but also male and female. In Africa matriarchic structures were common - now you barely find them anymore. It's so sad and it's the reason I have a hard time believing in politicians and nice words. Hope that clears it up. :)

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shadownyc May 7 2012, 10:22:20 UTC
Go Hillary!!!

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gaeln May 7 2012, 22:15:32 UTC
IKR? She makes me proud ;D

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beauty_forashes May 8 2012, 18:44:28 UTC
I agree with Connor, I'm tired of hearing pretty words, and I'm tired of politicians using us to put a bit of shine on their image ("Wow Hillary, you're not an asshole! Want a medal for that?"). Yes, a lot has changed for the better, but things have changed for the worse too if you look at places like Russia (not to mention governments that still put homosexuality under the death penalty). I don't see acceptance as anything praiseworthy, it should be normal and expected and not special or seen as something beyond common decency. It bugs me because it implies that not being homophobic is an achievement rather than a reasonable expectation, or that it's a concession or a special gift the person is making to us. Homophobia should be condemned where it's present, not its absence praised. I don't see equality as a gift that's given because it's not - it's something that's owed.

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gaeln May 8 2012, 19:26:13 UTC
I sense your frustrated, which you apparently feel the need to point out on me because what? you think I don't understand the inherent inequality, the immorality, the humiliation of living in a world long long dominated by straight mainly white men over EVERYONE else, not just you, right? but everyone else. Not that long ago, women were considered property here, there and still are in far too many places so not just you.

I'm blind-sided by your words and, quite frankly, Connor's also. I didn't expect such anger thrown at me and it hurts. I point out only that the first woman Secretary of State for the US believes as I do and you both come at me harshly.

Thanks for making me feel safe here, Alex.

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beauty_forashes May 8 2012, 19:37:16 UTC
It wasn't meant harshly, and it wasn't against you. But if you try to see it from our perspective, it might make sense. Or, if you imagine Joe Blow promising to be nice and not punch you in the face, would you praise him and thank him? Or is that not noteworthy behavior because it can be expected? I've just often felt used by a lot of celebrities and politicians who parade their tolerance like it was something morally excellent in order to gain brownie points, that's something that does frustrate me.

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gaeln May 9 2012, 23:15:16 UTC
sorry but your reply coming on the back of Connor's was too much. I'm here because I understand your perspective. How often have I said to my daughter how gracious it was of men to 'give' women the vote when they never had the right to deny it to us in the first place, how generous to finally consider us full human beings and not just property like we were some kind of animal ( ... )

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