Fred: Still Not Impressed
Alrighty, for those who wanted to see some AtS snarkage from me, here ya go. It's probably not gonna be a regular occurrence because, really, AtS doesn't inspire me to write much anyway. But watching Fredless again sparked a rant
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This is why I don't like Cordy/Angel. Fred and Lorne kept trying to sellsellSELL it to me! I got to the point of just being so disgusted at the thought of the ship. That and the writers used it as an excuse to steal away Cordy's snark because she has to be perfect and know how to say the perfect thing to comfort everyone around her. UGH ( ... )
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I get so frustrated with Fred because I want to like her. Cause she's cute and nerdy and smart and funny. But...the execution of her character...it just turns me off.
I did like her part in the Jasmine arc. That was the high point of her character for me. By S5, I was actually enjoying her character somewhat. Then they went and killed her in the most offensive way possible and I gave up.
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*channels Lorne* Oh come on, Angelcakes. You and Cor are like two halves of the same delicious pastry. You're the Cinnabun and she's the forsty topping of scrumptiousness of top. Now go on and get horizontal already!
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I think I had trouble getting through S3. Darla's pregnancy was also a sticking point for me.
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She is able to save herself (and others). "Billy" for example. And she doesn't leave a fallen man behind, even if they try to tell her leave and stuff.
And...it's not that Angel couldn't have stopped Illyria from spreading and saved Fred--he just didn't. If he had, it would have killed thousands upon thousands of people.
Fred isn't my favorite, but I do like her. I don't think she was portrayed as some sort of ultimate damsel either.
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Fred: Once upon a time - there was a girl who lived all alone in a horrible cave - so far from home it made her chest hurt. - And every day in that horrible cave, the girl tried to figure out a way to escape. - None of her plans ever succeeded, of course, - and she'd almost given up hopin' - when one day, just like in a fairy tale - a handsome man rode up on a horse and saved her, - and took her back to his castle. - - Now you'd think that was the end, wouldn'tcha? Dumb old fairy tales and their happily ever afters. But see, the minute they got back to the castle, - the handsome man went away again. - And even though she didn't mean to, - didn't want to - high up in that castle the girl just built herself another cave. Hoping he would save her again. (Looks at Angel) But you can't save me *this* time. - Can you?
And in A Hole in the World, she even refers to herself as not being a "damsel in distress".
I'd call it a running theme to her character.
And...it's not that ( ... )
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You said, "Angel sucks as a hero and can't always save her." I was just pointing out that he found a way, but didn't take it cause the price was too high.
As for the damsel thing--two points make a line, not a pattern. Not that I would count AHitW as her being a typical damsel. A disease was killing her--if it was anything else that she could have fought, she would have (even though she does attempt to find a cure for herself in the ep). That's what we see of Fred's character for the most part--she thinks, and she fights.
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...so he couldn't save her.
As for the damsel thing--two points make a line, not a pattern.
Key point: I'm going off vague recollections of my previous viewing. In those recollections, I can't remember many instances of Fred actually doing anything, besides in the Jasmine arc. Yeah, she thinks. But she's also often put in peril to be rescued by the guys (I recall her being taken hostage on a few occasions). Very, very rarely does she actually save herself.
And, yeah, her death her as a damsel because it has the men getting together to grunt and rescue her in manly fashion. Which is pretty much par for the course for her character.
When the signatory episode for a character has an unsubtle set up for her being the damsel who will not be a damsel anymore...and then doesn't really follow through...well, that's just a muddled mess. Especially when you bookend it with her final episode having her struggle to find a cure while protesting that ( ... )
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However, the coffin was moved around in cities, getting to W&H (at the very least, LA). So at least, it would have killed hundreds if not the thousands.
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Cause I love Fred to bits, and think she's wonderfully awesome and all, but... that scene! Gah!
(She's not that awesome, you silly people...)
Fred in my icon is, in my head, currently being a bit freaked out by the hero-worship coming from the rest of the group. :)
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She just doesn't have the confidence to rely on that, which is why she keeps letting herself play the damsel. I sometimes wonder if it's because she thinks that tiny-girl geekdom is incompatible with that particular kind of strength.
That said, much of S3 is just inexcusable. What they do with Fred isn't the worst of it, but in ways she takes it on the chin because it's the audience's first real exposure to her--Pylea doesn't really count for that, heh.
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So even though she's a scrapper, she still falls victim to situations she can't get herself out of and this ultimately ends in her death when Angel can't save her anymore.
Meh.
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