i remember kathryn mulgrew saying that star trek needed at least one openly gay main cast member and then she expressed her willingness for it to be janeway.
Re: and let him express his love for Tom ParisfrogfrizzAugust 29 2006, 12:14:23 UTC
OMG I've thought about that before and REALLY, it's just YUMMY! *drools* Gay men in love is LOOOVE. A bunch of fiction's written about those two, if I recall. =D Heee. Glad to see a fellow Voyager slash fan. Hahaha!
froggy, why don't you turn fanfic writing into a thesis. if not, the fanfics out there, especially because it is possible that fanfic thrived because of blogs -- indeed, quite the blogging phenomenon.
or, you can take your literary theories/criticisms and apply them to fanfics, several of them, the ones you deem are "popular".
or you can go into the blur between readership and authorship (if there is such a word) .. i think you get what i mean. you spend so much time on this, you might as well turn this into a school project so that we can finally move to the UK!!
i really need to physically move out like right now.
Go, go, go! Not that I'm itching to see you off. I actually don't. But I think it'd be good for you to smell the air in Berlin for a change. Yeah, Sal's been complaining that I'm still in school. It could get so frustrating sometimes.
YEAH YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT. We all do! I sound stupid in this "paper" (or whatever ya watchamacallit). But I had to get the ideas down, no matter how stupid they seem...and completely 'out there'. Whooo *moves finger in circular motions against temple*.
It's true, I should just write a paper about all this ficcing...or a thesis, since I spend a horrendous amount of time on it anyway.
Hehehe. Pandesalwinner!!! <<< Winner talaga 'to, I swear. HAHAHA! I love you Marie! I already miss you, for Chrissakes!
I love these chunks of meta you keep doing, it's fascinating and helps me sort out what I think too. I love love LOVE that this pairing has taken off, and I desperately need to kick my uber Janeway-fangirl back into gear and getting writing thrilling fics about these two awesome women. I really want to do what you do, delve into the core dynamics of these two, and I have to hope that when I do, I do them justice.
My dear, you've already done them justice with that fic you wrote a while back. Whatever you come up with...I'd be sure to devour them with gumption! (note the plural, hehehe)
I'm glad these meta's do something because I actually believe they're just fan-girl ramblings gone haywire, splurging on energy I should be using on my thesis. These two ARE awesome; I feel very passionately about them and it's just great that the pairing took off somewhere in the middle of challenges and in the fringes of communities. :) Thanks to fic writers like yourself and those already aforementioned. *hugs you*
Hmm. Loving the analysis you've done on the characters. One of the reasons I love writing Roslin is her moral ambiguity. There's something compelling about a character that is prepared to work through cancer, sacrifice her freedom for something she thinks is needed, but at the same time can suggest an assination without bliking an eye.
Janeway as well can be ruthless, blinded by a course she considers right without listening to other points of view.
Both are very outspoken and very capable of using their sexuality for their own agandas.
So my ultimate pairing at the moment is Janeway/Roslin for the sheer potential (though I have been accused of being a Roslin slut and pretty much can and will write her with anyone)
I, on the other hand, am a Janeway slut and would write her with anyone, too. Heee.
And ditto on what you said about Roslin and Janeway. There's an immense potential for this pairing. Not only are they beautiful, quick-witted, and charming, they bring with them their contradictions. As you said, there's something compelling about these two. :)
Glad you liked the analysis, though I pretty much spouted everything without a second thought; Roslin and Janeway were clamoring in my brain and I had to get them out. And my, when writers play with them, they do have more fun (loving yor fics, dear. Keep 'em coming!)
Hello you. So glad to see you've dropped by. I hadn't expected you so soon, and on this post of all things. :) (Oh, these fangirl ramblings of the most obsessive sort!).
Chakotay & Janeway - in one sense, I do agree with Kate Mulgrew for quashing Janeway's relationship with Chakotay, though, in the words of Michelle Green, “My fantasy for the 24th century is not that all women who want to command starships will get one of their very own--that's not realistic in any sort of meritocracy--but that people of either gender who are qualified to command starships will not be asked to give up family, intimacy, and all sense of home.”
So I’m posing this question to everyone: do you think, though, that it would've made a difference if their relationship budded in the seventh season? Or had all opportunities for it become stunted/was unnecessary after New Earth? How do you think a relationship with Chakotay would weaken her character? Or if not, why so? (You can refer back to my last meta for some ideas and Kate’s interview for a few more
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Okay, when I wake up and have some coffee, I'll answer this. :)
Wanted to say though, "I’d agree that Kara would probably be one of those exquisitely drawn characters that Roslin would somehow submit to." - Actually, I meant it the other way around. *g* Quite likely, my pronouns are guilty as charged. Hee.
As things would have it, I'm about to hit the sack. :) Looking forward to your insights on these two.
As for Laura and Kara, (with pronouns clarified), I'd have to agree on Kara's willingness to submit, too. They have a certain dynamic that slash writers haven't ignored.
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And you know who else I think should be openly gay?
Harry Kim. (Hehehe)
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or, you can take your literary theories/criticisms and apply them to fanfics, several of them, the ones you deem are "popular".
omg. i need to move out!!!
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i really need to physically move out like right now.
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It's true, I should just write a paper about all this ficcing...or a thesis, since I spend a horrendous amount of time on it anyway.
Hehehe. Pandesalwinner!!! <<< Winner talaga 'to, I swear. HAHAHA! I love you Marie! I already miss you, for Chrissakes!
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I'm glad these meta's do something because I actually believe they're just fan-girl ramblings gone haywire, splurging on energy I should be using on my thesis. These two ARE awesome; I feel very passionately about them and it's just great that the pairing took off somewhere in the middle of challenges and in the fringes of communities. :) Thanks to fic writers like yourself and those already aforementioned. *hugs you*
Write fics? Write meta? :) I'll be waiting!
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Janeway as well can be ruthless, blinded by a course she considers right without listening to other points of view.
Both are very outspoken and very capable of using their sexuality for their own agandas.
So my ultimate pairing at the moment is Janeway/Roslin for the sheer potential (though I have been accused of being a Roslin slut and pretty much can and will write her with anyone)
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And ditto on what you said about Roslin and Janeway. There's an immense potential for this pairing. Not only are they beautiful, quick-witted, and charming, they bring with them their contradictions. As you said, there's something compelling about these two. :)
Glad you liked the analysis, though I pretty much spouted everything without a second thought; Roslin and Janeway were clamoring in my brain and I had to get them out. And my, when writers play with them, they do have more fun (loving yor fics, dear. Keep 'em coming!)
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Chakotay & Janeway - in one sense, I do agree with Kate Mulgrew for quashing Janeway's relationship with Chakotay, though, in the words of Michelle Green, “My fantasy for the 24th century is not that all women who want to command starships will get one of their very own--that's not realistic in any sort of meritocracy--but that people of either gender who are qualified to command starships will not be asked to give up family, intimacy, and all sense of home.”
So I’m posing this question to everyone: do you think, though, that it would've made a difference if their relationship budded in the seventh season? Or had all opportunities for it become stunted/was unnecessary after New Earth? How do you think a relationship with Chakotay would weaken her character? Or if not, why so? (You can refer back to my last meta for some ideas and Kate’s interview for a few more ( ... )
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Wanted to say though, "I’d agree that Kara would probably be one of those exquisitely drawn characters that Roslin would somehow submit to." - Actually, I meant it the other way around. *g* Quite likely, my pronouns are guilty as charged. Hee.
I'll be back in a few hours. :)
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As for Laura and Kara, (with pronouns clarified), I'd have to agree on Kara's willingness to submit, too. They have a certain dynamic that slash writers haven't ignored.
Off to have a few winks then. Cheerio!
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