Radical Stupidity.

[freneticfloetry]

I'm going to preface this with a disclaimer. For those of you on my f-list who don't know me beyond fic and squee - and I truly try to keep my LJ firmly within those boundaries, as it is my happy place of fictional escapism - I'm pulling out the soapbox. Don't say I didn't warn you

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[freneticfloetry]

I think, when you start getting to her level of vehemence about something, you skew whatever it takes to prove your point, without even realizing it. My family is a melting pot as well, and I wouldn't have it any other way. For someone to discount that out of hand, all in the name of power for women (something I myself believe in) just made me livid. You don't have to raise awareness for one thing by stomping on something else.

Glad I could help.

[martinigrl]

court, I tried to read that post on that assclown's journal and I really had to go out onto my balcony for some air.. I don't even like Serenity/Firefly, Joss is not the be all end all of scifi for me, not even close, but oh, dear lord. Joss has written a number of issues on issues that are of great importance to woman/feminism/womanism/and all other -isms. AND HE KNOWS HIS SHIT. The stupid, it burns.

You've managed to say everything I was thinking much more coherently than I could, but OH MY HELL. Radical feminists are ruining it for everyone, I swear to god. The "rape" as defined by this "womyn" ("womyn" is always when my bullshit/wank-dar goes off in gender/race/class privilege discussions) is mindboggling. I mean really, really? You can attack the class issues of prostitution (and the pimp/prostitute relationship, which is obviously oppressive), but THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RAPE. THE PROSTITUTE HAS CONSENTED TO IT AND PROBABLY HAD A HAND IN THE MONETARY ASPECT OF IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A JOSS SHOW AND IT'S ON A NETWORK THAT'

[freneticfloetry]

Your thoughts on Joss are exactly what's missing from her ranting - any sort of objectivity. One can't argue while blind to the other side of the debate.

I hate, hate that she is the feminist archetype in the minds of Americans. She's exactly why "feminist" is a dirty word. There's no logic, no valid argument, just rhetoric. To add insult to injury, she's deleting comments that oppose her point of view. Yes, because that's going to work in the real world.

She honestly reads like a net-glorified feminist. You know the type - the ones who sob all over LJ that they're anorexic or dyslexic or asexual, just for the attention it may bring. I have never read an "argument" that made such little sense on each and every point. She's talking to hear herself speak, and craving the attention the controversy will bring. That's my take, anyway.

Note how I did not claim my opinion as absolute truth. Ugh. Asshat.

I second your last guess, though. For the record.

[martinigrl]

Oh, I know. I consider myself a feminist using the 2nd wave definition of feminism is the radical notion that women should be equal to a man, but I always feel like I have to justify/explain feminism like I'm unclean. I swear, third wavers are screwing it all up, either by insisting on an ideal that is way too close to female supremacy or going in the other direction and crying "oppression!" "appropriation!" every time they see something they don't agree with, regardless of whether or not they are members of the group that's being oppressed/appropriated. I'm all for people realizing their privilege/appropriative behavior (but I'm not okay with it being shoved down other people's throats since everyone is coming to things from different perspectives). However, it seems like most people who claim these things are educated, affluent white "womyn" who have never experienced nor spent any real time dealing with (or interacting with) the number of issues that they are trying to address (they just... read a book! And shockingly, that

[martinigrl]

and in not tl; dr form.

choke the bitch. god/i/christian bale will thank you.

[kalenodonnell]

Yes.

Yes, I think Courtney DOES have to choke a bitch in this particular instance.

Proceed at once, plz.

[freneticfloetry]

I am willing and able, believe me. Just point the way.

This chick obviously wants a world of nothing but black lesbian sex. I wonder if she has objections to woman-on-woman violence. It's close enough, right?

[ladygloria]

lol, you'll be interested in this too:

http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html?thread=282270#t282270

She links to her views on sex and to boil it down to this (not that i read any of the original crap because really, who gives a fuck about ignorant people):
I believe in the radical feminist definition of rape. That is that men who pressure women into sex are rapists. That women who are pressured are not freely consenting and are therefore being raped. There have been a few discussions recently in the rad fem blogosphere debating whether all male initiated sex is rape, given that women are politically, socially and economically subordinate to men. So, in my understanding of Joss Whedon as a rapist is hinges on my definition of rape. I would argue that most 'sex' between men and women, in the contemporary 'sex-positive', pornographic, male-supremacist culture, is rape.

[freneticfloetry]

...

There are so many things wrong with that statement that I've lost count. The only way that holds water is on the Fail Boat.

[spectralbovine]

I believe Joss Whedon is the closest thing women have to a feminist in male-dominated Hollywood.
I think you might mean a male feminist. I mean, surely there are women in power who would naturally be more feminist than Joss Whedon.

I think you do need to choke a bitch, though.

[freneticfloetry]

I think you might mean a male feminist. I mean, surely there are women in power who would naturally be more feminist than Joss Whedon.

That is indeed what I meant. Though some days, I'm not so sure. *eyes Shonda Rhimes*

That's two in favor of choking. I'm going to take it to five, and then start Googling.

[kalenodonnell]

*logs in as cailleachbheur and adds another vote*

[polarthestral]

I've already ranted about fighting isms on several journals so all I'll say to you is WORD. :)

Succinct but sincere ;)

B xxx

[freneticfloetry]

Why thank you, dear. I'm admittedly shocked that I could get my thoughts together in any way comprehensible outside my own brain.