So a scummy murderess gets off scot free

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I haven't been this disgusted at my country since 1982, when we betrayed Britain over the Falklands. (The British won, too, which means that Italy got nothing for its betrayal of an ally except shame and disgrace. But then Italians are like that: they are always at their most stupid when they think they are being crafty.) The Meredith Kercher

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My Two Cents

[saturndevouring]

I read this in 'Rolling Stone,' and this is where trouble arises for someone like me. I read Coulter, who clearly has an axe to grind (it's all about "liberals!") and then this, which, if you read the entire article, paints her as the innocent victim from the get-go. As someone who is shamefully illiterate in Italian and unable to go to the source, I'm curious for your take on this report

Re: My Two Cents

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That's right, take Rolling Stone for a reliable source. Ignore Coulter because "she's got an axe to grind" (and the vile pretence at a journalist who wrote that shameful passage about the Italian courts, full of ignorant contempt because things aren't done the way they're done at home, is a valid source?) and forget that she's a lawyer and, unlike the Rolling Weed bastard, has read the original sentence. Believe Knox' lies - poor innocent wee little American girl with no Italian and no idea that she was repeatedly lying and repeatedly trying to incriminate others. Not to mention her nasty streak of racism - both her chosen targets, Lumumba and Guede, were African, and one has to wonder whether the fact that her victim was half-black also had something to do with it. If you can't see that the vile Roll-Your-Own pseudo-reporter had gone there with his mind made up and resolute to find Italians a bunch of murderous clowns, I can't do anything with you. Forget it. Just forget it.

Re: My Two Cents

[saturndevouring]

Fabio

Re: My Two Cents

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Let's just put it this way. If anyone reported on an American court - or any kind of American public proceeding - with the ignorant contempt with which the so-called reporter described Italian court proceedings, not even trying to understand what was going on and why, but vilifying it all anyway, would you take him to be a credible source on what was being debated and why?

Like I said and repeated, Italian justice is in dire need of reform; but not because some ignorant American does not understand the rules of procedure and is outraged that they are not the same as in Petaluma. One of the main issues which may need looking at is the way that almost every trial can be taken to appeal and then to the Supreme Court (Corte di Cassazione). In effect, it is commonplace for Italians not to regard any serious matter as actually judged (passata in giudicato) unless it has reached the Supreme Court. This not only means that trials take ages, but also that the Court of Appeals, reduced to the level of an intermediate stage between original and

Lawrence Auster vs Ann Coulter

[frittomisto]

Auster at view from the right

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/020638.html

has an interesting discussion / debate about the case vis-a-vis Ann Coulter. He's an "innocentista". Perhaps you should go there and duke it out. And I must say, he makes a better (less emotional) case for the twosome's innocence than you do for their guilt.

Auster asks an interesting question:

"Another point: if the case is on the up and up, why did the prosecutors in the appeals trial demand that the Knox and Sollecito, after having already spent four years in prison, serve several months in solitary confinement? Doesn't that suggest some kind of out of control vindictiveness on the prosecutors' part?"

You say this: "and the guilt of Knox and Sollecito was obvious to anyone who could read" but that only makes you lose credibility as a commentator. You take for granted what needs to be proved.

By comparison, yours is merely an emotional outburst.

Re: Lawrence Auster vs Ann Coulter

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Auster's, on the other hand, is simply ignorant. As I already explained to saturndevouring, above, in Italian practice a trial is not over till the last appeal. The prosecutors were perfectly aware that if they let the murderous scum go now, they might as well kiss the case goodbye; she'd be on the next flight to Seattle - as she punctually was - and from then on, there would have been no chance of getting her back short of sending an undercover squad and kidnapping her.

I have some experience of Auster. He is worse than Coulter; for one thing, he is an out and out racist, which I don't think Coulter is.

Re: Lawrence Auster vs Ann Coulter

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http://fpb.livejournal.com/537167.html

[sanscouronne]

Would you be willing to link to your previous entries on this case? I do believe that you wrote a few.
It is interesting that you take a line so strongly for Knox's guilt, because most people I know who are into the case maintain her innocence, or at least serious doubts about it. And not in any emotional, pro-American way. I would like to read more about what you have said regarding the case.