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Mar 23, 2005 21:23

Got this from trimmje. My comments below the article:

Capitol bill aims to control ‘leftist’ profs ( Read more... )

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mattiris March 24 2005, 06:28:05 UTC
Not to sound... anti-American or anything? But America's the only country where I could hear of this happening and really not be surprised. *shrug*

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fluffer007 March 24 2005, 06:50:07 UTC
Yeah, that's the sad thing--as angry as I might sound(and am), it doesn't surprise me that much, either. We're moving more and more toward this kinda stuff. And like I said: Americans=lawsuits.
Actually that's maybe why I'm so upset over it; this sort of thing should shock people, and it doesn't.

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daromaius March 24 2005, 15:56:31 UTC
I'm sorry, I actually overlooked the right to sue when reading through the Constitution. Clearly, I need a new prescription.

On the one hand, I agree that the classroom settings are molded, in most cases, to fit a leftist (and, at times, dictatorial) paradigm. Professors are supposed to challenge the way we look at the world, but not if they cannot tolerate their worlds being challenged in return.

Many of them cannot.

Do I think this is the solution? Absolutely not.

But I think the problem has more merit than you might admit.

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fluffer007 March 24 2005, 16:51:23 UTC
I'll grant that there can be a problem. God knows I sat through enough business classes with professors touting right-wing policies to know what it feels like to be a political minority in a class. At the same time, I don't know any professors that really let that influence your grade. It wasn't the case when I spoke up in business classes, and it hasn't been the case in reverse circumstances when I've been in English classes. Do keep in mind, two years ago I was a pretty staunch Republican. I wasn't afraid to speak up back then. Actually, I got better grades back then when I disagreed--because it forced me to really think about what was being said.

Professors just aren't as totalitarian as they might be perceived to be. They're people. And if there's really a serious personality class, it's possible to drop a class.

Of course, what's going to happen with this is students will have to sign a waver before taking classes--that's how the universities will cover themselves. So really, this approach is just a waste of time.

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daromaius March 24 2005, 17:28:44 UTC
Professors just aren't as totalitarian as they might be perceived to be.

To you. Your experience is not that of everyone else's, and just because you thankfully haven't had to experience the horror stories doesn't mean they don't exist.

They're people.

And people are never assy or totalitarian or megalomaniacal.

And if there's really a serious personality class, it's possible to drop a class.

Not always. There are classes required, both to fulfill general education reqs and to fulfill degree requirements. I had a friend who almost had to forfeit her degree because she was forced to drop the last class she needed due to stalking/harrassment issues that the school would not acknowledge.

It's not always so simple as "drop a class". And beyond, people shouldn't have to drop a class just to perpetuate an education and avoid close-minded, fanatical professors. I'm sorry, but close-minded, fanatical professors should not hold the title of "professor" to begin with.

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fluffer007 March 24 2005, 21:26:37 UTC
You make some very good, valid points, Rick. There are always exceptions. Though stalking/harrassment *isn't* covered in this bill. I wouldn't have a problem with that being covered ( ... )

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cmer March 24 2005, 21:59:20 UTC
You might want to repost that. I don't think he got your reply.

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trimmje March 24 2005, 23:35:03 UTC
I think it's getting more acceptable for parents (and others) to try and protect kids longer from things the parents find unacceptable. At what point do you allow your child to live for himself? And be exposed to things that you're going to have to trust them to behave appropriately about? When can you say "it's okay if my child doesn't think (or act) the way I want him to"? When do you allow your child the freedom to change his mind?

Schools have policies that (theoretically) prevent preferential grading based on "who agrees with me." If that's the worry, ask the school about it. The state doesn't need in on this.

As far as "controversial" theories and beliefs go, doubt is good. Questions are good. Knowing why you think the way you do is good.

Besides, how do you know what's so great about your stance if you don't know what else is out there?

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fluffer007 March 25 2005, 01:58:19 UTC
Amen.

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