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[firecat]

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[elainegrey]

I read his Illium/Olympus duology (diptych?) which had the similar issue of requiring both books. It also sounds similar in the sense that there are strongly disparate story lines that converge, with strong literature dependencies. The female characters are not particularly strong either.

In Illium/Olumpus there are a variety of human-modified species and Moravecs, "autonomous, sentient, self-evolving biomechanical organisms." I didn't study the book with this question, but noticed the gender of the Moravecs wasn't strongly signified. It could be decades of "he" = either gender mean an occasional male gendered pronoun slipped, but i really do think the Moravecs weren't strongly signified. The primary moravec character was the only character i particularly liked. reading your comments about Simmons and female characters, i wonder about the moravecs and gender even more.

[eeyore_grrl]

I didn't realize there was a second book... I can to respond that Illium had almost NO wrap up and barely connected the story lines...

I guess I have another book for my list now...

[firecat]

Interesting, I'll have to consider reading that.

I wonder where the word Moravec comes from. I instantly think of this one pianist who is really good at playing Chopin. And on the one hand it seems unlikely that he'd take the name from that guy, on the other hand, he does seem to have some knowledge of piano based on one character in Hyperion...

[elainegrey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moravec, a roboticist with interest in transhumanism.

Much of this pair of books is about transhumanism.... and if you really think you want to read it, i'll not say more.

[elynne]

I read Hyperion I and II, and then the followup duology - which I can't remember the name of. (Googled it, "Endymion") Suffice to say that I thought Hyperion was good enough to seek out and read the rest; I found Fall of Hyperion somewhat dissapointing, as it continued to fail to explain certain points, though it did bring some storylines to satisfactory conclusions; Endymion was... an interesting premise, with an increasingly ludicrous storyline, which I was really hoping would turn into something better; Rise of Endymion completely failed to develop into something better, and instead devolved into flailing slapstick. Without giving away any major spoilers, I'll just say that Endymion etc. uses phrases like (and I'm not paraphrasing much here, sadly) "Our love was the kind that poets wrote sagas of for the ages" unironically. Also, what you said about female characters and inability to write convincing relationships times a million.

In other words, if you liked Hyperion, I strongly recommend that you do not read Endymion.

[firecat]

"Our love was the kind that poets wrote sagas of for the ages"

Yeah, there is plenty of this sort of thing in Hyperion too.

[elynne]

Endymion is worse. Thicker. Harder to overlook. :P

[firecat]

I'm waffling about whether to read Fall of Hyperion as it is, but I'm pretty much convinced it will end there. (Or at least I'll do Endymion on paper where I can skim past the emo.)