Comments | fenderlove: Thanks a Lot, Whedon...

fenderlove

Thanks a Lot, Whedon...

Jul 30, 2012 23:04

He's managed to take his "consent issue" fetish into the Avengers fandom. GAH! How does he keep doing this?! And why does it always create huge kerfluffles everywhere?! Prepare for me to once again rant about the Glowhypnol sex in S8 and Loki's role in Thor and the Avengers! Gird your loins! This is not spell/grammar checked at all.

( Spoilers for the Avengers film below the cut. )

thor, avengers, marvel, loki

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fenderlove July 31 2012, 05:35:04 UTC

I remain in the camp of who just watches Loki in any of his various forms in profound fascination. Very interesting. I mean, leading up to the new Journey into Mystery, Loki sacrificed himself, even begging the All-Father for one last chance. Of course, isn't that the ultimate trick? His plans already have gone awry, and what better send off than to make himself appear the hero? And it worked. He's the hero and the villain of the piece, and there was enough love in Thor's heart to warrant bringing Loki back (though in a prepubescent form). Then we find out that Loki went all Voldemort and created a bird Horcrux. XD It's amazing, and I love it. Of course, his Golden Age form is profoundly hilarious. XD

From the official Thor 2 Twitter, there's apparently going to be a lot more of Loki. I'm curious about what they'll do with him. Of course, I hope it does not involve his lips being sewn shut.

ericadawn16 July 31 2012, 04:23:48 UTC

Oh, there is so much more going on with this than just Loki because it's a whole theme involving multiple characters about how much do you go along with something? How much can you be your own person? How much do you even want to? Isn't it in fact easier to be ruled by someone/something else and not have to take responsibility for anything you do? But then, it's not really ( ... )

fenderlove July 31 2012, 05:42:10 UTC

If I was going to do a larger comparison between the Marvel Movie Universe and BtVS, I would definitely bring up murdering-to-ease-the-world's-suffering/subjugating-the-world-from-the-subjugation-of-freedom parallels. Sadly, this post was written due to a specific kerfluffle that I encountered over the past few days. It could be pondered upon if Loki truly is crazy in the Avengers. I mean, one could not blame him for losing his grip with reality just as Willow had suffered a traumatic event in S6. How much grip do they still retain, and questions of taking responsibility for impaired judgement in revenge scenarios are all interesting points for further inquiry. I can't say anything about the other characters in the Avengers as I have not seen much else of the film besides the scenes with Loki. I'll just go and watch Thor a few more times while I wait for Captain American 2 and Iron Man 3. XD

uglybusiness August 25 2012, 20:36:40 UTC

This is an excellent meta and it touches the issue that's been bothering me, too. There are many hints throughout the film that Loki himself is not as "free" as he likes to pretend. The speeches he gives revolve around the same theme ("freedom is life's great lie"; "you lie and kill in the service of liars and killers, you pretend to be separate ... but the horrors are a part of you"; "to be reminded what real power is"). There's even a line that can be interpreted as reference to torture (?) or some kind of torment Loki's experienced, "you think you know pain". Also, he's been "touched" by the Tesseract, apparently (he said to Thor that he's seen its true power, and in the deleted scenes there's a conversation with Selvig in which he states that the Tesseract "touches everyone differently ( ... )

fenderlove August 25 2012, 21:48:42 UTC

I think some of the problems with Whedon's writing in this film is vagueness. Is Loki just saying those things to Barton and Selvig, like a cult leader type-of-deal, or does he mean it? I think that the Tesseract can influence people as it did when the scepter was left in the room with the Avengers, making their slights and ill-at-easiness with one another break into a more heated nature. Now, is Loki immune to that control? Is he the one controlling the scepter's power and how it uses the Tesseract in that way? If he is not immune to its power, then one can only assume that he has felt some effects. Then one has to wonder how much is he being influenced. He's been carrying around the scepter for a while... and he's got a lot of nasty feelings about his brother and his own self-importance ( ... )

fenderlove August 25 2012, 22:00:05 UTC

Here is a comparison between shots from the BluRay though that most people on Tumblr are using as evidence that Loki was being somewhat controlled and that Thor is actually able to snap him out of it for a moment: http://tomhiddles.tumblr.com/post/30195655178