Well, it looks like the pot has been stirred [up]!

[chreebomb]

Obviously, redindigo was onto something when she posted about heteronormativity and heterocentrism, at least judging from the 312 commentsSo, I'll risk appearing the angry, man-hating separatist dyke and attempt to move this conversation to the next level

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[naath]

I don't see how the shirt is inherantly 'wrong' - wrong for *you* yes, but not for everyone. If I saw a shirt that said "Red Sox are the best" I wouldn't get it - I don't care for $sport and I don't care for $team and I don't know who the Red Sox are... but some people do, and some people love them

[lifeisacabaret]

Ah, so finally we come to the crux of the issue. Thank you.

[celandinex]

I have a funny feeling you like having the last word, so this shall be my last response. I will say this, however: I didn't reply to your note simply to be annoying. Very sincerely, I like communities where people are free to ask questions free of ridicule. That was the "crux of the issue." You're welcome.

But things are rarely that pleasant. As said in Great Expectations,, "She'll only break your heart."

How literature does reflect the times!

[chreebomb]

it's so much fun to defend yourself over and over and over and over and over, isn't it? personally, i like self-torture. that's why i come here, really.

[lifeisacabaret]

Makes a body feel alive. ;^D

[chreebomb]

chastizing a queer woman about her rage in having to educate heterosexuals yet again is absolutely permissible.

just because some of us feel like educating doesn't obligate anyone to do so. plrease remember that.

imagine trying to explain feminism over and over and over and over and over and over to a bunch of men. frustrating, no?

check yourself.

[celandinex]

just because some of us feel like educating doesn't obligate anyone to do so

naturally. but there isn't any need to be rude to others when they ask questions. if you don't want to educate them, that's okay, but there isn't any need to make others feel stupid for ignorance.

[chreebomb]

and the cycle continues. your point was made. move on.

[celandinex]

thanks for your role in its perpetuation.

[chreebomb]

the context is larger--it's the pervasiveness and ingrainedness that heterosexual=normal and homosexual=abnormal. it's not about being PC; it's about changing your paradigm. did you read the wikipedia entries? did they make sense? can you put the concepts there into play in the small example? also, dancing_moon had a great example.

[kahvi]

Yes, I understand this. Like I said, I understand the principle I assumed you were refering to. However, as you didn't respond to naath's statement about how the shirt wasn't nessecarily wrong in itself, (I'm not saying you should have), I was a little unclear about what you were trying to say. I see what you were saying now. Thanks for clarifying!

[chreebomb]

you are absolutely welcome. i'm happy to see that you are interested!

[chreebomb]

and you know? i'm sorry to be snarky, but equating monthy python with my sexual orientation is silencing and disrepectful. so kindly keep away from the annoying analogies. thanks.

[maclyn]

Mmhmm.

[naath]

*monty hall*. Totally other thing. I *meant* to say 'a shirt that says that I'm a geek who gets together with other geeks to talk about maths problems'. Which, frankly, marginalises me *much more* than my sexuality ever does in the society I live in, more than my sexuality *could* *whatever* it was.

But that's OK, you don't have to get my cultural referents.

[chreebomb]

stop minimalizing others' experiences. of all the comments i've encountered in this conversation(s), yours have been the most privileged, dismissive, and offensive. i've emailed the mods. most especially for this right here.